Time to tax cyclists (From The Oxford Times)
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Time to tax cyclists
8:00am Thursday 7th June 2012 in Letters
Sir – After the brilliantly thought-out decision to close the centre of Oxford all day for a cycle race (the rush-hour traffic towards the station stretched back up Walton Street to the Oxford University Press), a thought arises. Shouldn’t cyclists, like other road users, pay some sort of road tax — say, £50 a year? It would help the police control the horde of lost, abandoned or stolen cycles.
And, in these straitened economic times, it would help the redistribution of wealth to the genuinely needy.
Cyclists — or at least quite a lot of them — must be reasonably affluent or they wouldn’t be able to take a working day off to participate in a cycle ride.
I realise that this proposal will cause a bit of controversy in a city where cycling is next to godliness — if not a couple of notches above it. And I wonder what would happen if I, as a Jaguar owner, went to the authorities and said that I, and a few like-minded friends, would like to organise a Jaguar race round the city-centre in the rush hour. I can guess the answer, despite the fact that we are, in some small degree, responsible for shifting jobs from Stuttgart to the West Midlands.
Nigel Clarke, Oxford
Comments(5)
Gnomeicide
says...
3:43pm Fri 8 Jun 12
Interestingly cars that currently are excluded from VED still need a tax disc, and of course the admin charge for that is paid for by other motorists; would you like your own VED to go even higher because cyclists would have to get a free disc too? No? Then please, for the love of all that is good, could you stop repeating the rather tired old whinge that cyclists should pay road tax?
MrDrem
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3:48pm Fri 8 Jun 12
It would give me a whole load of benefits. No more being told I should pay 'road tax', The tax disc could even help to serve as a theft deterrent, by being a unique, nationwide, identifying system for bikes.
Car drivers are the ones that should be demanding that cyclists don't have to pay VED. Why? Because of the cost to them. In 2010, 3.5 million bikes were sold. The cost to issue a tax disc in 2012 is £1.65 per disc. Therefore just for bikes that were sold in 2010, their first tax disc would have cost the tax paying public £5.7 million.
Where would the cost of that increase in the cost of issuing tax discs be met from? Either it would have to be paid through general taxation, and so everyone would pay for a scheme that if implemented correctly, would be of benefit to very few people, OR it could be paid for by increasing the cost of Vehicle Excise Duty to take into account the extra overheads. This would mean an increase of over 25% for most drivers, just so that the demands of a few who think that cyclists should have a pretty disc on their bikes can be met.
Drivers therefore should be demanding that the status quo of cyclists not paying Vehicle Excise Duty is not changed, as it it likely that they will end up paying for my tax disc, and the underlying database that would need to be created to hold all of the details
See http://mrdrem.blogsp
ot.co.uk/2012/05/why
-id-love-to-pay-vehi
cle-excise-duty.html for more details, and sources for the costs and numbers of bikes.
ScaredAmoeba
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11:06am Tue 12 Jun 12
Many cyclists run a car, for which they pay VED.
The killer fact for Mr. Clarke's ill thought-out idea, is that Band 'A' vehicles, or are VED-exempt for a wide number of reasons, qualify for a zero-cost VED, while Mr. Clarke bizarrely wants to impose a special charge on cyclists. It is worth pointing-out that Mr. Clarke has not shown any evidence for his figure, a figure for which he almost certainly has no supporting evidence. Mr. Clarke's hidden agenda is thereby clearly exposed for what it is – rampant cyclophobia – he apparently is gripped by a hatred of people who ride bicycles.
http://ipayroadtax.c
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There can be no doubt that such a charge levied on cycling would require registration and number-plates. There is a long history of bicycle registration schemes, most have been dropped, those that remain are primarily aimed at discouraging bicycle theft. Compulsory bicycle registration schemes have repeatedly shown to be counter-productive, by discouraging cycling and all enlightened societies eventually realise that the benefits of cycling are so great that its must be encouraged, not discouraged. It is also perhaps worth noting that like Mr. Clarke, the Third Reich was very keen registering bicycles.
Could this be a case of using one-eyed logic?
http://www.embacher-
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ScaredAmoeba
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12:34pm Tue 12 Jun 12
Comparison of the wider cost of transport in English urban areas (per annum, 2009 prices and values) Excess delays £10.9 billion; Collisions £8.7 billion ; poor-air quality £4.5 billion -£10.6 billion; Physical inactivity £9.8 billion; GHGs £1.2 billion -£3.7 billion ; noise-amenity £3billion -£5billion . That totals £38.1billion -£48.7 billion.
Figures from: The wider costs of transport in English urban areas in 2009 – Cabinet Office
http://bit.ly/ygtc1M
In stark contrast to motor-vehicles, cycling has multiple external benefits and few if any discernible external costs. For instance, encouraging people out of their cars and onto bicycles benefits drivers by reducing congestion and benefits everyone by reducing air and noise pollution.
Cycling has been shown to be beneficial to society and the wider economy. In monetary terms, the estimated benefit from every additional 109 utility cyclists who cycle instead of drive three times per week over 30 years was one million pounds. Note: they don't have to be the same people. For details, see the report.
Planning for Cycling Report to Cycling England 18/12/08
http://www.webcitati
on.org/673EZyALN
Road surface damage is generally proportional to the fourth power of axle weight. Based upon this, One laden HGV does as much damage as ~146,000 small cars, ~19,000 medium cars, or ~2.3 billion bicycles. (yes billion).
Mr. Clarke complains about some temporary congestion caused by cycling in one city on one day, when motor-vehicles, the overwhelming majority of which are cars, clog almost every road in towns and cities every day throughout the UK. Surely the answer is road-pricing for motor-vehicles i.e. motorists.
Could Mr. Clarke once-again, be guilty of using one-eyed logic?
Itsbetterbybike says...
5:27pm Thu 7 Jun 12