Speeding magician Daniels is told he can keep licence

The Oxford Times: Paul Daniels. Paul Daniels.

Celebrity magician Paul Daniels appeared at Oxford Magistrates’ Court yesterday and dodged losing his licence for speeding. Paul, real name Newton Edward Daniels, appeared after he was clocked by police driving at 56mph in a 40mph zone on London Road in Earley, Reading.

The magician, 75, already had nine points on his driving licence, but avoided being disqualified after successfully arguing he needed to drive to care for his elderly mother.

Daniels, of Willow Lane, Wargrave, near Henley, received three more points and was ordered to pay a £625 fine, costs of £65 and a £62 victims’ surcharge.

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8:15am Thu 12 Dec 13

BigAlBiker says...

I must remember this excuse, caring for elderly mother, when i need it (hopefully never) i will quote this.
I must remember this excuse, caring for elderly mother, when i need it (hopefully never) i will quote this. BigAlBiker

9:45am Thu 12 Dec 13

Doctor69 says...

Can't he make the points vanish? He is a magician after all?!
Can't he make the points vanish? He is a magician after all?! Doctor69

9:55am Thu 12 Dec 13

phonoplug says...

If he already had 9 points and received a further 3, surely that means he has lost his licence?? Eh?
If he already had 9 points and received a further 3, surely that means he has lost his licence?? Eh? phonoplug

10:12am Thu 12 Dec 13

Lord Palmerstone says...

BigAlBiker wrote:
I must remember this excuse, caring for elderly mother, when i need it (hopefully never) i will quote this.
You will. Young drivers are being encouraged to use tachographs. In 10 years they'll be compulsory for all. Speed limits since 1972 have been imposed because councils give in to whining single issue groups, so they are unrealistic (you're either going to have vehicular transport or horse and cart)
Only a tiny group of autistic people with hyperior powers of concentration will go more than 10 days on a tacho without making it to 12 points.
As an old person I can see how many more nasties this country has than in my youth but believe me , you ain't seen nothing yet. The State will geld you in the end my friend.
[quote][p][bold]BigAlBiker[/bold] wrote: I must remember this excuse, caring for elderly mother, when i need it (hopefully never) i will quote this.[/p][/quote]You will. Young drivers are being encouraged to use tachographs. In 10 years they'll be compulsory for all. Speed limits since 1972 have been imposed because councils give in to whining single issue groups, so they are unrealistic (you're either going to have vehicular transport or horse and cart) Only a tiny group of autistic people with hyperior powers of concentration will go more than 10 days on a tacho without making it to 12 points. As an old person I can see how many more nasties this country has than in my youth but believe me , you ain't seen nothing yet. The State will geld you in the end my friend. Lord Palmerstone

10:36am Thu 12 Dec 13

Sid Hunt says...

phonoplug wrote:
If he already had 9 points and received a further 3, surely that means he has lost his licence?? Eh?
There are many drivers in the UK with 12 or more penalty points on their licence that are still driving. One man had 54 points before he was finally banned.

12 points isn't an automatic ban, magistrates can use their discretion and, in the cases of where a ban will result in 'exceptional hardship', they can waive the ban.

Whether this is moral or desirable is another issue.
[quote][p][bold]phonoplug[/bold] wrote: If he already had 9 points and received a further 3, surely that means he has lost his licence?? Eh?[/p][/quote]There are many drivers in the UK with 12 or more penalty points on their licence that are still driving. One man had 54 points before he was finally banned. 12 points isn't an automatic ban, magistrates can use their discretion and, in the cases of where a ban will result in 'exceptional hardship', they can waive the ban. Whether this is moral or desirable is another issue. Sid Hunt

2:28pm Thu 12 Dec 13

GaryOxford says...

Magic!
Magic! GaryOxford

3:41pm Thu 12 Dec 13

carli says...

Disgusting....if he wasn't "famous" he would have lost his licence like every other mere mortal who had clocked up too many points. Surely his wife or a chauffer could drive his mother....or a taxi?? Totally outrageous.
Disgusting....if he wasn't "famous" he would have lost his licence like every other mere mortal who had clocked up too many points. Surely his wife or a chauffer could drive his mother....or a taxi?? Totally outrageous. carli

4:47pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Lord Palmerstone says...

carli wrote:
Disgusting....if he wasn't "famous" he would have lost his licence like every other mere mortal who had clocked up too many points. Surely his wife or a chauffer could drive his mother....or a taxi?? Totally outrageous.
No you're wrong. Magistrates give the benefit of exceptional hardship to all sorts of people, not least I suspect because they recognise that many post '72 speed restrictions are not appropriate, e.g. the 30 limit on the 3 lane road south of Woodstock-so I suspect you need to look rather at the rich and famous nimbys, such as the good folk of Woodstock who've coerced the authorities to put the more absurd limits in place-and reflect that the unregistered uninsured L-plate Astra with 100% tinted windows can go through at 70 as many times as the driver/s wish and nothing will ever happen.
[quote][p][bold]carli[/bold] wrote: Disgusting....if he wasn't "famous" he would have lost his licence like every other mere mortal who had clocked up too many points. Surely his wife or a chauffer could drive his mother....or a taxi?? Totally outrageous.[/p][/quote]No you're wrong. Magistrates give the benefit of exceptional hardship to all sorts of people, not least I suspect because they recognise that many post '72 speed restrictions are not appropriate, e.g. the 30 limit on the 3 lane road south of Woodstock-so I suspect you need to look rather at the rich and famous nimbys, such as the good folk of Woodstock who've coerced the authorities to put the more absurd limits in place-and reflect that the unregistered uninsured L-plate Astra with 100% tinted windows can go through at 70 as many times as the driver/s wish and nothing will ever happen. Lord Palmerstone

6:12pm Thu 12 Dec 13

Milkbutnosugarplease says...

At least he didn't try to make the gorgeous Debbie McGee take the points for him, as another speeder did and got jailed for.
At least he didn't try to make the gorgeous Debbie McGee take the points for him, as another speeder did and got jailed for. Milkbutnosugarplease

7:50pm Thu 12 Dec 13

dant40 says...

That's what I call magic!!
That's what I call magic!! dant40

5:36pm Tue 17 Dec 13

H.J.Harris says...

Lord Palmerstone wrote:
BigAlBiker wrote:
I must remember this excuse, caring for elderly mother, when i need it (hopefully never) i will quote this.
You will. Young drivers are being encouraged to use tachographs. In 10 years they'll be compulsory for all. Speed limits since 1972 have been imposed because councils give in to whining single issue groups, so they are unrealistic (you're either going to have vehicular transport or horse and cart)
Only a tiny group of autistic people with hyperior powers of concentration will go more than 10 days on a tacho without making it to 12 points.
As an old person I can see how many more nasties this country has than in my youth but believe me , you ain't seen nothing yet. The State will geld you in the end my friend.
Possibly something like http://www.policewit
ness.com/ will become compulsory. I find this scheme potentially quite frightening. The old adage of "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear " only goes so far.
Thin end of the wedge is the expression which comes to mind.
[quote][p][bold]Lord Palmerstone[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigAlBiker[/bold] wrote: I must remember this excuse, caring for elderly mother, when i need it (hopefully never) i will quote this.[/p][/quote]You will. Young drivers are being encouraged to use tachographs. In 10 years they'll be compulsory for all. Speed limits since 1972 have been imposed because councils give in to whining single issue groups, so they are unrealistic (you're either going to have vehicular transport or horse and cart) Only a tiny group of autistic people with hyperior powers of concentration will go more than 10 days on a tacho without making it to 12 points. As an old person I can see how many more nasties this country has than in my youth but believe me , you ain't seen nothing yet. The State will geld you in the end my friend.[/p][/quote]Possibly something like http://www.policewit ness.com/ will become compulsory. I find this scheme potentially quite frightening. The old adage of "if you've done nothing wrong you have nothing to fear " only goes so far. Thin end of the wedge is the expression which comes to mind. H.J.Harris

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