Rat-run drivers will be given £50 fines

Rat-run drivers will be given £50 fines

Rat-run drivers will be given £50 fines

First published in News

POLICE have explained why they have been unable to issue fines to drivers ignoring a left turn ban on part of Oxford’s ring road – but now can.

A ban on traffic taking a rat-run from the A40 through the Cutteslowe estate in North Oxford has not being properly enforced, the Oxford Mail reported last week.

The matter came to light earlier this month when residents complained to North Oxford councillor Jean Fooks that drivers were flouting the ban by ignoring the restriction.

Thames Valley Police spokesman James Williams said: “Under the Road Traffic Act 1988, Thames Valley Police has been unable to issue fixed penalty notices to motorists who fail to comply with the no left turn traffic sign at the junction of the A40 Elsfield Way and Jackson Road.

“Police cannot issue fixed penalty notices to motorists who fail to comply because such an offence does not come under the umbrella of fixed penalty notices.

“However, we have discovered that tickets can be issued at this location for failing to comply with the traffic regulation order.

“This has been discovered in the last month. The penalty notice for this offence is £50 and non-endorsable.”

The ban on left turns was first introduced by the county council in 2005 as a safety measure to cut out rat running by drivers heading west from the Headington direction and was made permanent in 2007.

Between January 2007 and last September there have been three minor injury accidents at the junction, but no serious or fatal collisions.

Wolvercote and Summertown county councillor Ms Fooks said: “Residents are pleased that the police have now discovered the right mechanism for fining drivers ignoring the ban.”

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8:14am Fri 17 Jan 14

Geoff Roberts says...

and now they'll conduct a few high profile operations then leave it and the problem will remain. That isn't enforcement. The police do not have the resources or intelligence to do law enforcement.
and now they'll conduct a few high profile operations then leave it and the problem will remain. That isn't enforcement. The police do not have the resources or intelligence to do law enforcement. Geoff Roberts
  • Score: 67

8:42am Fri 17 Jan 14

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

There is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road.
There is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: -85

9:42am Fri 17 Jan 14

museli says...

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
There is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road.
What is wrong with some people - this is an illegal manoeuvre, a criminal offence - and still some selfish motons moan about calling it a rat run!
[quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: There is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road.[/p][/quote]What is wrong with some people - this is an illegal manoeuvre, a criminal offence - and still some selfish motons moan about calling it a rat run! museli
  • Score: 61

11:09am Fri 17 Jan 14

tinsel84 says...

Any poor sod trying to find a clear route to work is instantly labelled a "rat runner". It's actually efficient route planning. Why is Sandy a "selfish moron"? She makes a valid point! Of course her comment, and mine i suspect will be rapidly marked down due to the mass of Oxford hippie greeno, "why don't you cycle, walk or pogo stick", "all motorisists are evil" types that seem to dominate this website.
Any poor sod trying to find a clear route to work is instantly labelled a "rat runner". It's actually efficient route planning. Why is Sandy a "selfish moron"? She makes a valid point! Of course her comment, and mine i suspect will be rapidly marked down due to the mass of Oxford hippie greeno, "why don't you cycle, walk or pogo stick", "all motorisists are evil" types that seem to dominate this website. tinsel84
  • Score: -127

11:39am Fri 17 Jan 14

Bart_simpsonDoh says...

Agree..NO such thing as a rat run, If I can legally drive on that road I WILL
Agree..NO such thing as a rat run, If I can legally drive on that road I WILL Bart_simpsonDoh
  • Score: -192

12:16pm Fri 17 Jan 14

gree0115 says...

Bart_simpsonDoh wrote:
Agree..NO such thing as a rat run, If I can legally drive on that road I WILL
And that is exactly how my TomTom Live traffic system works, if it can"see" another route which will take less time then it will reroute that way. Efficient traffic routing not rat-running. If it's a legal turn and a public highway then it's available to all.
[quote][p][bold]Bart_simpsonDoh[/bold] wrote: Agree..NO such thing as a rat run, If I can legally drive on that road I WILL[/p][/quote]And that is exactly how my TomTom Live traffic system works, if it can"see" another route which will take less time then it will reroute that way. Efficient traffic routing not rat-running. If it's a legal turn and a public highway then it's available to all. gree0115
  • Score: -89

12:21pm Fri 17 Jan 14

the wizard says...

tinsel84 wrote:
Any poor sod trying to find a clear route to work is instantly labelled a "rat runner". It's actually efficient route planning. Why is Sandy a "selfish moron"? She makes a valid point! Of course her comment, and mine i suspect will be rapidly marked down due to the mass of Oxford hippie greeno, "why don't you cycle, walk or pogo stick", "all motorisists are evil" types that seem to dominate this website.
Never mind your selfish excuses, if you break the law, then you are open to prosecution. It was made a no left turn because selfish people increased the traffic levels to an un acceptable level in this particular environment, a housing estate, complete with pedestrians, children and the elderly. Idiots speeding through on this short cut put all of the afore mentioned at unnecessary risk and danger because of their speeding actions, all because they could not be patient enough to wait the same as everybody else.

MANY HAVE DISCOVERED THAT TO GET TO WORK ON TIME, THEY JUST GET UP THAT BIT EARLIER TO GIVE THEM A COMFORTABLE TIME TO DRIVE SENSIBLY AND SAFELY, SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME.
[quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: Any poor sod trying to find a clear route to work is instantly labelled a "rat runner". It's actually efficient route planning. Why is Sandy a "selfish moron"? She makes a valid point! Of course her comment, and mine i suspect will be rapidly marked down due to the mass of Oxford hippie greeno, "why don't you cycle, walk or pogo stick", "all motorisists are evil" types that seem to dominate this website.[/p][/quote]Never mind your selfish excuses, if you break the law, then you are open to prosecution. It was made a no left turn because selfish people increased the traffic levels to an un acceptable level in this particular environment, a housing estate, complete with pedestrians, children and the elderly. Idiots speeding through on this short cut put all of the afore mentioned at unnecessary risk and danger because of their speeding actions, all because they could not be patient enough to wait the same as everybody else. MANY HAVE DISCOVERED THAT TO GET TO WORK ON TIME, THEY JUST GET UP THAT BIT EARLIER TO GIVE THEM A COMFORTABLE TIME TO DRIVE SENSIBLY AND SAFELY, SUGGEST YOU DO THE SAME. the wizard
  • Score: 27

12:24pm Fri 17 Jan 14

King Joke says...

All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code.

How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer?

Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.
All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code. How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer? Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining. King Joke
  • Score: 34

12:47pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

King Joke wrote:
All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code.

How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer?

Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.
I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code. How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer? Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: -81

12:55pm Fri 17 Jan 14

King Joke says...

True - you can drive up to the Cutteslowe Roundabout, turn left and left again and get to this road perfectly legally. But that's irrelevant to this story, which is about people making an illegal driving manoeuvre.

A few people above are attempting to justify illegal behaviour on the basis that it's OK if 'you're trying to get to work' or if your sat nav sends you that way. Both wrong.
True - you can drive up to the Cutteslowe Roundabout, turn left and left again and get to this road perfectly legally. But that's irrelevant to this story, which is about people making an illegal driving manoeuvre. A few people above are attempting to justify illegal behaviour on the basis that it's OK if 'you're trying to get to work' or if your sat nav sends you that way. Both wrong. King Joke
  • Score: 34

1:04pm Fri 17 Jan 14

gree0115 says...

King Joke wrote:
True - you can drive up to the Cutteslowe Roundabout, turn left and left again and get to this road perfectly legally. But that's irrelevant to this story, which is about people making an illegal driving manoeuvre.

A few people above are attempting to justify illegal behaviour on the basis that it's OK if 'you're trying to get to work' or if your sat nav sends you that way. Both wrong.
Not at all, please reread my comment - " Efficient traffic routing not rat-running. If it's a legal turn and a public highway then it's available to all."
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: True - you can drive up to the Cutteslowe Roundabout, turn left and left again and get to this road perfectly legally. But that's irrelevant to this story, which is about people making an illegal driving manoeuvre. A few people above are attempting to justify illegal behaviour on the basis that it's OK if 'you're trying to get to work' or if your sat nav sends you that way. Both wrong.[/p][/quote]Not at all, please reread my comment - " Efficient traffic routing not rat-running. If it's a legal turn and a public highway then it's available to all." gree0115
  • Score: -83

1:26pm Fri 17 Jan 14

King Joke says...

'if it's a legal turn'

It is not a legal turn, so the point is correct but not relevant to this story.
'if it's a legal turn' It is not a legal turn, so the point is correct but not relevant to this story. King Joke
  • Score: 33

1:43pm Fri 17 Jan 14

museli says...

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
King Joke wrote:
All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code.

How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer?

Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.
I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.
Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn.
[quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code. How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer? Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.[/p][/quote]Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn. museli
  • Score: 59

1:45pm Fri 17 Jan 14

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe says...

museli wrote:
Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
King Joke wrote:
All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code.

How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer?

Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.
I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.
Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn.
Well you must be the only person in Oxford who has never or will ever use a shortcut. Using the shortest route is hardly 'antisocial' get a grip.
[quote][p][bold]museli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code. How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer? Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.[/p][/quote]Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn.[/p][/quote]Well you must be the only person in Oxford who has never or will ever use a shortcut. Using the shortest route is hardly 'antisocial' get a grip. Sandy Wimpole-Smythe
  • Score: -75

2:05pm Fri 17 Jan 14

museli says...

Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
museli wrote:
Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
King Joke wrote:
All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code.

How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer?

Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.
I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.
Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn.
Well you must be the only person in Oxford who has never or will ever use a shortcut. Using the shortest route is hardly 'antisocial' get a grip.
Infesting residential roads with traffic is most definitely antisocial - just go and look what the lazy motorists do to Quarry Hollow when the Eastern Bypass gets a bit busy. You are just in denial Sandy.

I use shortcuts all the time but think I can honestly say I've not needed to use my car, or any motorised transport, to travel into town this century.
[quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]museli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code. How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer? Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.[/p][/quote]Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn.[/p][/quote]Well you must be the only person in Oxford who has never or will ever use a shortcut. Using the shortest route is hardly 'antisocial' get a grip.[/p][/quote]Infesting residential roads with traffic is most definitely antisocial - just go and look what the lazy motorists do to Quarry Hollow when the Eastern Bypass gets a bit busy. You are just in denial Sandy. I use shortcuts all the time but think I can honestly say I've not needed to use my car, or any motorised transport, to travel into town this century. museli
  • Score: 58

2:12pm Sat 18 Jan 14

Abartonresident says...

I assume all you people who don't like 'outsiders' driving on your roads, never drive though other residential areas?
This ban on left turn has nothing to do with safety as one can make a right turn across two lanes of traffic to access the estate. Obviously purely for the benefit of the residents as there is no other reason why anyone would need to make this manoeuvre.
I assume all you people who don't like 'outsiders' driving on your roads, never drive though other residential areas? This ban on left turn has nothing to do with safety as one can make a right turn across two lanes of traffic to access the estate. Obviously purely for the benefit of the residents as there is no other reason why anyone would need to make this manoeuvre. Abartonresident
  • Score: -81

1:22pm Mon 20 Jan 14

monkeynews says...

museli wrote:
Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
museli wrote:
Sandy Wimpole-Smythe wrote:
King Joke wrote: All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code. How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer? Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.
I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.
Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn.
Well you must be the only person in Oxford who has never or will ever use a shortcut. Using the shortest route is hardly 'antisocial' get a grip.
Infesting residential roads with traffic is most definitely antisocial - just go and look what the lazy motorists do to Quarry Hollow when the Eastern Bypass gets a bit busy. You are just in denial Sandy. I use shortcuts all the time but think I can honestly say I've not needed to use my car, or any motorised transport, to travel into town this century.
Not Quarry Hollow!, oh gosh won't somebody please think of the Morris Men!

It is a road, which anybody is perfectly entitled to drive down be it to avoid traffic or as a shortcut.

Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route.

Bully for you if you haven't used any motorised transport to travel into town, but unfortunatly some of us have to use cars/buses/taxis to get around.
[quote][p][bold]museli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]museli[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sandy Wimpole-Smythe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: All of you - this is an illegal turn. It is not legal. It is not allowed. It is against the law. It is against the rules. It is contrary to the Highway Code. How thick do you have to be not to realise this? How can I make it any clearer? Do the crime, do the time, and stop complaining.[/p][/quote]I didn't say it wasn't illegal. I was simply stating the FACT that there is no such thing as a 'rat run' on a PUBLIC road. It would seem that it was the 'moron' museli who read more into my comment.[/p][/quote]Most people understand the term 'rat run' just fine - you are not supposed to like it any more than overpaid business leaches like being called 'fat cats' - if you don't like being called a rat runner then stop indulging in the behaviour we call rat running. Just because something is legal doesn't stop it being antisocial and deserving of scorn.[/p][/quote]Well you must be the only person in Oxford who has never or will ever use a shortcut. Using the shortest route is hardly 'antisocial' get a grip.[/p][/quote]Infesting residential roads with traffic is most definitely antisocial - just go and look what the lazy motorists do to Quarry Hollow when the Eastern Bypass gets a bit busy. You are just in denial Sandy. I use shortcuts all the time but think I can honestly say I've not needed to use my car, or any motorised transport, to travel into town this century.[/p][/quote]Not Quarry Hollow!, oh gosh won't somebody please think of the Morris Men! It is a road, which anybody is perfectly entitled to drive down be it to avoid traffic or as a shortcut. Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route. Bully for you if you haven't used any motorised transport to travel into town, but unfortunatly some of us have to use cars/buses/taxis to get around. monkeynews
  • Score: -75

1:25pm Mon 20 Jan 14

King Joke says...

'Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route.'

Because you had some consideration for local residents?
'Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route.' Because you had some consideration for local residents? King Joke
  • Score: 24

2:22pm Mon 20 Jan 14

melyn am byth says...

This junction is used by local residents, I regularly walk through the underpass & into town this way.
I have seen council vehicles using it.
It should never have been closed in the first place, but I suppose once in a blue moon, some inconsiderate boy/girl racer would get a thrill out of trying to beat the traffic. Rather than getting those in authority to catch those abusing the rules the junction is closed, and we all suffer.
This is characteristic of the society we live in.
Common sense is anathema today, proscribed by those who think they know better.
I have a healthy disrespect of the law, I think you have to these days, let's face it - the law has little respect for the citizen.
This junction is used by local residents, I regularly walk through the underpass & into town this way. I have seen council vehicles using it. It should never have been closed in the first place, but I suppose once in a blue moon, some inconsiderate boy/girl racer would get a thrill out of trying to beat the traffic. Rather than getting those in authority to catch those abusing the rules the junction is closed, and we all suffer. This is characteristic of the society we live in. Common sense is anathema today, proscribed by those who think they know better. I have a healthy disrespect of the law, I think you have to these days, let's face it - the law has little respect for the citizen. melyn am byth
  • Score: -71

2:24pm Mon 20 Jan 14

King Joke says...

And your proposal for stopping boy/girl racers is?
And your proposal for stopping boy/girl racers is? King Joke
  • Score: 24

4:35pm Mon 20 Jan 14

monkeynews says...

King Joke wrote:
'Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route.' Because you had some consideration for local residents?
No, i don't, it's a public highway, if you live in a property on a public highway then you should expect cars to be using it.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: 'Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route.' Because you had some consideration for local residents?[/p][/quote]No, i don't, it's a public highway, if you live in a property on a public highway then you should expect cars to be using it. monkeynews
  • Score: -67

11:05pm Mon 20 Jan 14

JanetJ says...

Anyway - have the Police actually issued any tickets??
Anyway - have the Police actually issued any tickets?? JanetJ
  • Score: -71

8:28am Tue 21 Jan 14

King Joke says...

monkeynews wrote:
King Joke wrote: 'Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route.' Because you had some consideration for local residents?
No, i don't, it's a public highway, if you live in a property on a public highway then you should expect cars to be using it.
If I decided to cycle - quite legally - along the nearside lane of the A34 at 15 mph I'm sure I'd be reminded of all sorts of reasons why I shouldn't be using that particular public highway (trust me I've got not intention of doing so).

Let's admit that certain roads are designed for certain kinds of traffic and the public authorities have a duty to ensure appropriate levels/speedsin different areas.
[quote][p][bold]monkeynews[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: 'Why would you sit in traffic on the eastern bypass when you can avoid it by using another route.' Because you had some consideration for local residents?[/p][/quote]No, i don't, it's a public highway, if you live in a property on a public highway then you should expect cars to be using it.[/p][/quote]If I decided to cycle - quite legally - along the nearside lane of the A34 at 15 mph I'm sure I'd be reminded of all sorts of reasons why I shouldn't be using that particular public highway (trust me I've got not intention of doing so). Let's admit that certain roads are designed for certain kinds of traffic and the public authorities have a duty to ensure appropriate levels/speedsin different areas. King Joke
  • Score: 22

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