Calls for trial run on new crossings

Cllr Samantha Bowring and Cllr Neil Fawcett at the crossing on Marcham Road which could be moved. Picture: OX64771 Antony Moore

Cllr Samantha Bowring and Cllr Neil Fawcett at the crossing on Marcham Road which could be moved. Picture: OX64771 Antony Moore Buy this photo

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THE Friends of Abingdon Civic Society has said two proposed pedestrian crossings aimed at improving traffic congestion must be trialled before becoming permanent.

The crossings planned for Ock Street and Marcham Road are being proposed to help reduce long traffic queues at rush hour which residents say will be exacerbated further by occupants of a new 159-home estate on Drayton Road.

The estate was granted permission on appeal last year after a lengthy battle by residents against developer, Hallam Land Management.

Planning inspector John Watson gave Hallam permission in July with the caveat that before any development begins, Oxfordshire County Council must give written confirmation that the two new crossings will be created.

The plans, on which the council is running a public consultation which ends tomorrow, would create one new pedestrian crossing on Ock Street, east of the junction with Drayton Road. It would also move the current crossing on Marcham Road to the west of Drayton Road junction, further west.

The hope is that pedestrians using the crossings would break up the traffic flow on the A415 – Marcham Road turning into Ock Street – to allow cars queueing on Drayton Road to enter the flow.

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However, the Friends of Abingdon Civic Society said the crossings won’t make any difference, and has written to the county council urging it to trial the scheme before deciding whether to make it permanent.

Spokeswoman Roberta Nichols said: “It won’t make any difference, and no-one who lives there can see how this will have any effect on traffic.

“People already say it takes them an hour to make what should be a ten-minute journey.

“The problem with highways officers is that they use computer models, but you don’t know what will happen until you try it.”

Sheffield-based developer Hallam estimated that the new homes would add an extra 100 vehicle journeys every day to the existing 1,200 on Drayton Road.

County councillor for Abingdon South, Neil Fawcett, said he agreed with the Abingdon group.

Liberal Democrat Mr Fawcett, who lives in Turberville Close, said: “If the council are minded to go ahead with this plan, it would make a lot of sense to have a trial first, before giving formal approval.

“I personally think moving the Marcham Road crossing a few yards to the west isn’t going to make a serious difference one way or another.

“But I have serious concerns about creating the new crossing on Ock Street – traffic already queues back to the town centre from that junction.”

He encouraged residents to send their views to the council before the consultation period ends tomorrow.

A spokesman for Oxfordshire County Council said: “The crossings were deemed necessary by the planning inspector as necessary mitigation of the transport effects of the development.

“The responses to the consultation are due to be considered at the county council’s meeting in March.”

He said if proposals were approved, work on the crossings, which could cost up to £50,000, could begin about three months later.

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12:30pm Fri 7 Feb 14

hatofthecat says...

Great so we have to spend thousands so that some bunch of Sheffield property speculators can stuff their pockets. Why aren't these little grub monkeys building houses in the North ? Oh yes, because they are part of the reason the south east is becoming ever more over crowded. The solution is not more ticky tacky boxes built on flood plains its spreading economic development across the whole country. I for one do not want to live in a soulless urban sprawl like London.
Great so we have to spend thousands so that some bunch of Sheffield property speculators can stuff their pockets. Why aren't these little grub monkeys building houses in the North ? Oh yes, because they are part of the reason the south east is becoming ever more over crowded. The solution is not more ticky tacky boxes built on flood plains its spreading economic development across the whole country. I for one do not want to live in a soulless urban sprawl like London. hatofthecat
  • Score: 1

1:52pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Gunslinger says...

hatofthecat wrote:
Great so we have to spend thousands so that some bunch of Sheffield property speculators can stuff their pockets. Why aren't these little grub monkeys building houses in the North ? Oh yes, because they are part of the reason the south east is becoming ever more over crowded. The solution is not more ticky tacky boxes built on flood plains its spreading economic development across the whole country. I for one do not want to live in a soulless urban sprawl like London.
Why don't you go and live in the North then? Whether we like it or not, the south is where the jobs are and is where people need to live.

As I understand it, the developers are paying the £50,000.
[quote][p][bold]hatofthecat[/bold] wrote: Great so we have to spend thousands so that some bunch of Sheffield property speculators can stuff their pockets. Why aren't these little grub monkeys building houses in the North ? Oh yes, because they are part of the reason the south east is becoming ever more over crowded. The solution is not more ticky tacky boxes built on flood plains its spreading economic development across the whole country. I for one do not want to live in a soulless urban sprawl like London.[/p][/quote]Why don't you go and live in the North then? Whether we like it or not, the south is where the jobs are and is where people need to live. As I understand it, the developers are paying the £50,000. Gunslinger
  • Score: -2

5:37pm Fri 7 Feb 14

King Joke says...

hatofthecat wrote:
Great so we have to spend thousands so that some bunch of Sheffield property speculators can stuff their pockets. Why aren't these little grub monkeys building houses in the North ? Oh yes, because they are part of the reason the south east is becoming ever more over crowded. The solution is not more ticky tacky boxes built on flood plains its spreading economic development across the whole country. I for one do not want to live in a soulless urban sprawl like London.
Have you been listening to Pete Seeger?
[quote][p][bold]hatofthecat[/bold] wrote: Great so we have to spend thousands so that some bunch of Sheffield property speculators can stuff their pockets. Why aren't these little grub monkeys building houses in the North ? Oh yes, because they are part of the reason the south east is becoming ever more over crowded. The solution is not more ticky tacky boxes built on flood plains its spreading economic development across the whole country. I for one do not want to live in a soulless urban sprawl like London.[/p][/quote]Have you been listening to Pete Seeger? King Joke
  • Score: 0

9:03pm Sat 8 Feb 14

TonyH says...

This is what happens when councils don't have a housing plan, about the only sensible thing that appeal judgement said. Vale screwed up, which allowed the 'independent' inspector to grant the appeal in favour of Hallam, despite a mass of contrary evidence. The text said that apparently 159 dwellings will produce just 41 morning rush car journeys, 30 north to Ock Street and 11 south towards Drayton & Milton. Evidence also stated the wait at Ock St in the morning is on avg 9 minutes. Both complete tosh. The crossings clause is a sop to all the objections, and will make little difference - if the Drayton Road Q is a fraction quicker, then the ones in Ock Street will be made worse. The evening Q back from there already gums up the one way system. The govt has often said "local decisions by local people" - but it's clear that all round the country, inspectors have been tipped the wink to say yes for housing, hoping to stimulate the economy and stuff all other considerations. OH, and it's quite silly to moan about 'Hallam' being based in Sheffield, this could have been a developer from Timbuktu, outcome would have been the same.
This is what happens when councils don't have a housing plan, about the only sensible thing that appeal judgement said. Vale screwed up, which allowed the 'independent' inspector to grant the appeal in favour of Hallam, despite a mass of contrary evidence. The text said that apparently 159 dwellings will produce just 41 morning rush car journeys, 30 north to Ock Street and 11 south towards Drayton & Milton. Evidence also stated the wait at Ock St in the morning is on avg 9 minutes. Both complete tosh. The crossings clause is a sop to all the objections, and will make little difference - if the Drayton Road Q is a fraction quicker, then the ones in Ock Street will be made worse. The evening Q back from there already gums up the one way system. The govt has often said "local decisions by local people" - but it's clear that all round the country, inspectors have been tipped the wink to say yes for housing, hoping to stimulate the economy and stuff all other considerations. OH, and it's quite silly to moan about 'Hallam' being based in Sheffield, this could have been a developer from Timbuktu, outcome would have been the same. TonyH
  • Score: 1

12:44pm Tue 11 Feb 14

icba1957 says...

“People already say it takes them an hour to make what should be a ten-minute journey".

It's precisely these people who are at root of the problem. If the journey's that short, why do they need to drive? As a society, our reliance on the car will prove to be our downfall.
“People already say it takes them an hour to make what should be a ten-minute journey". It's precisely these people who are at root of the problem. If the journey's that short, why do they need to drive? As a society, our reliance on the car will prove to be our downfall. icba1957
  • Score: 5

12:50pm Tue 11 Feb 14

King Joke says...

Build a bus lane from the southern edge of Abingdon all the way up the Drayton Rd to the Ock bridge. THen people can sit in their cars for an hour while the bus passengers take ten minutes.

It's a wide road most of the way with dogsh't-peppered grass verges both sides. There's easily room for an inbound bus lane AND some verge.
Build a bus lane from the southern edge of Abingdon all the way up the Drayton Rd to the Ock bridge. THen people can sit in their cars for an hour while the bus passengers take ten minutes. It's a wide road most of the way with dogsh't-peppered grass verges both sides. There's easily room for an inbound bus lane AND some verge. King Joke
  • Score: 3

4:22pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Abingdon Neil says...

icba1957 - I suspect they mean that that part of the journey should only take ten minutes, and that they are then going on to somewhere else, not that they are getting in their car at the bottom of Drayton Road just in order to get to the top.
icba1957 - I suspect they mean that that part of the journey should only take ten minutes, and that they are then going on to somewhere else, not that they are getting in their car at the bottom of Drayton Road just in order to get to the top. Abingdon Neil
  • Score: -1

3:57pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Wolf Pack says...

Abingdon Council could Plan a **** up in a Brewery.
Abingdon Council could Plan a **** up in a Brewery. Wolf Pack
  • Score: 1

4:47pm Wed 12 Feb 14

King Joke says...

Abingdon Neil wrote:
icba1957 - I suspect they mean that that part of the journey should only take ten minutes, and that they are then going on to somewhere else, not that they are getting in their car at the bottom of Drayton Road just in order to get to the top.
You want a bet? What is the betting a lot of them drive from the bottom of the Drayton Rd to jobs in Abingdon town centre, Audlett Drive or the units on the old MG site?
[quote][p][bold]Abingdon Neil[/bold] wrote: icba1957 - I suspect they mean that that part of the journey should only take ten minutes, and that they are then going on to somewhere else, not that they are getting in their car at the bottom of Drayton Road just in order to get to the top.[/p][/quote]You want a bet? What is the betting a lot of them drive from the bottom of the Drayton Rd to jobs in Abingdon town centre, Audlett Drive or the units on the old MG site? King Joke
  • Score: 2

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