Trouble in store for Aldi plans

The Oxford Times: Margaret Davies at the Jubilee Way roundabout Margaret Davies at the Jubilee Way roundabout

RESIDENTS and businesses have raised traffic concerns over plans for an Aldi supermarket in Didcot.

Six submissions have been sent to council planners over the scheme for a store in Lower Broadway on the site of a foam company warehouse.

They warned it would create traffic jams around the Jubilee Way Roundabout.

Aldi said the development would attract 1,227 daily vehicle trips.

Roebuck Court resident Peter Kent said: “I'm dismayed that the application doesn’t support or suggest any changes to traffic management on the roundabout at the Broadway, Roebuck Court, Hitchcock Way and Jubilee Way junction.

“This is already highly congested at peak times, with queues of traffic at all junctions.”

Marsh Lane resident Mathew Sunderland added: “As a local resident living just a few hundred metres away from the proposed development, I am extremely concerned about the additional vehicle traffic this development may cause if it goes ahead.

“I have read there is likely to be provision for around 104 vehicles for the store.

“There is also the concern of HGV traffic adding to this when making the various deliveries.

“I frequently have great difficulty entering and exiting Marsh Lane at various times of the day, not just at peak times during rush hour.”

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But five residents backed the plans in letters to South Oxfordshire District Council, which will make a final decision.

Tamar Way’s George Walker said: “Me and my family welcome the addition of a new Aldi store to Didcot.

“It will bring much needed competition to the monopoly of Tesco and Sainsbury’s and save me travelling to Oxford and Reading to get my shopping.”

Didcot Town Council leader Margaret Davies has said the roundabout is one of three major traffic pinch points in the town.

The council has backed the plan but said: “Drivers would have difficulty turning right into and right out of the access road onto the B4016.”

It said developer-funded improvements to the roundabout would help fix the problems.

The plan would create 10 full-time and 20 part-time jobs and include 104 parking spaces.

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3:40pm Wed 19 Feb 14

EMBOX2 says...

Oh woe is Didcot.

The new 2000 home (3000+ car) development on the fields north of Ladygrove will add a lot more car trips than a supermarket, many of which to the nearby villages Didcot is trying so hard to swamp.

Well, Mrs Davies et al, I hear you saying nothing about this, and why is that? Because you have double standards. You want more housing, more development, but when it comes to Didcot paying the price, you're against it.

It seems Didcot is full on NIMBYs. Well, just wait until RWE nPower submit their application for a new power station (as Didcot B is closing in 9 years). Oops did I let that out of the bag.........
Oh woe is Didcot. The new 2000 home (3000+ car) development on the fields north of Ladygrove will add a lot more car trips than a supermarket, many of which to the nearby villages Didcot is trying so hard to swamp. Well, Mrs Davies et al, I hear you saying nothing about this, and why is that? Because you have double standards. You want more housing, more development, but when it comes to Didcot paying the price, you're against it. It seems Didcot is full on NIMBYs. Well, just wait until RWE nPower submit their application for a new power station (as Didcot B is closing in 9 years). Oops did I let that out of the bag......... EMBOX2

3:53pm Wed 19 Feb 14

livid99 says...

Quote "They warned it would create traffic jams around the Jubilee Way Roundabout."......
This already happens thanks to whoever thought it would be a good idea to put a pedestrian crossing right on every exit of the roundabout !
Roundabouts work fine when traffic just flows round them - traffic lights operated by people trying to get across 3 or four roads one after another causes gridlock as can be clearly seen around 5.30pm every day. Cars coming to or from Aldi will not cause a problem, because the problem is already there. Its not really that complicated !
Quote "They warned it would create traffic jams around the Jubilee Way Roundabout."...... This already happens thanks to whoever thought it would be a good idea to put a pedestrian crossing right on every exit of the roundabout ! Roundabouts work fine when traffic just flows round them - traffic lights operated by people trying to get across 3 or four roads one after another causes gridlock as can be clearly seen around 5.30pm every day. Cars coming to or from Aldi will not cause a problem, because the problem is already there. Its not really that complicated ! livid99

3:41am Thu 20 Feb 14

Myron Blatz says...

Apart from existing supermarkets probably not wanting the competition from a value-enhanced retailer like Aldi (supermarket chains being more concerned about their profits than choice for consumers) there is also the matter of local authorities seeing yet another 'golden opportunity' for a developer to 'contribute' toward sorting out known and existing accumulated road/highway problems, in 'exchange' for being granted planning permission. Bye the way, does anybody know if those terrible bus shelters by Sainsbury's car park are going to be replaced by ones which have decent seats for older folk, and a shelter which stops wind, rain and snow from deluging bus users, instead of just being big advertising hoardings?
Apart from existing supermarkets probably not wanting the competition from a value-enhanced retailer like Aldi (supermarket chains being more concerned about their profits than choice for consumers) there is also the matter of local authorities seeing yet another 'golden opportunity' for a developer to 'contribute' toward sorting out known and existing accumulated road/highway problems, in 'exchange' for being granted planning permission. Bye the way, does anybody know if those terrible bus shelters by Sainsbury's car park are going to be replaced by ones which have decent seats for older folk, and a shelter which stops wind, rain and snow from deluging bus users, instead of just being big advertising hoardings? Myron Blatz

7:37am Thu 20 Feb 14

Diddyman says...

No matter what you read it will get the go ahead. Mrs Davies has been heard talking about it enough times, was heard saying that if the roads get too busy at peak times people will just have to shop at a different time! The council don't care and for embox to say Didcot is full of nimbys what a load of rubbish. Yes most people didn't want all these new builds, only because there are too many being built here already. Not only the 2000 odd houses being built near the Ladygrove but also what about the sports fields, club house etc proposed in the fields opposite Tesco!? It's all too much, but Mrs Davies and colleagues just say yes to it all no matter what Didcot people say!!
No matter what you read it will get the go ahead. Mrs Davies has been heard talking about it enough times, was heard saying that if the roads get too busy at peak times people will just have to shop at a different time! The council don't care and for embox to say Didcot is full of nimbys what a load of rubbish. Yes most people didn't want all these new builds, only because there are too many being built here already. Not only the 2000 odd houses being built near the Ladygrove but also what about the sports fields, club house etc proposed in the fields opposite Tesco!? It's all too much, but Mrs Davies and colleagues just say yes to it all no matter what Didcot people say!! Diddyman

9:40am Thu 20 Feb 14

royston-vasey says...

As livid99 says, the pedestrian lights do seem to be the root cause of the delays at the roundabout. It's difficult to enable pedestrians to get from Jubilee Way to Ladygrove and vice versa without a pedestrian crossing on Hitchcock Way or the part of the Broadway that runs from the roundabout towards Tesco. A footbridge is very expensive, so I think the only real alternative is to phase the lights more sensibly.
As livid99 says, the pedestrian lights do seem to be the root cause of the delays at the roundabout. It's difficult to enable pedestrians to get from Jubilee Way to Ladygrove and vice versa without a pedestrian crossing on Hitchcock Way or the part of the Broadway that runs from the roundabout towards Tesco. A footbridge is very expensive, so I think the only real alternative is to phase the lights more sensibly. royston-vasey

11:16am Thu 20 Feb 14

Car 67 says...

Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it.
Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it. Car 67

8:18pm Thu 20 Feb 14

HPG says...

All it needs is a "no right turn" sign opposite junction, so no hold up on roundabout!
If only Didcot would think there road schemes through when needed!
There is more hold up for traffic turning into railway stationcausing backlog towards sainsburys, hold ups in station cause they cant get out through moving traffic!
Main through road traffic towards jubilee roundabout from station is a major holdup cause of rightaway at roundabout to constant feed from broadway!
All traffic leaving Didcot from Station road, foxhall road and ladygrove via coming over bridge all get held up at a on/off switch of lights from Great western park
Didcot sort your traffic scheme properly and not use planning permision bribes to fund new roading
A sign is suffice for this, as used coming out of services near A34, as coming out of daily mail junction near powerstation and as used when turning onto one way streets
All it needs is a "no right turn" sign opposite junction, so no hold up on roundabout! If only Didcot would think there road schemes through when needed! There is more hold up for traffic turning into railway stationcausing backlog towards sainsburys, hold ups in station cause they cant get out through moving traffic! Main through road traffic towards jubilee roundabout from station is a major holdup cause of rightaway at roundabout to constant feed from broadway! All traffic leaving Didcot from Station road, foxhall road and ladygrove via coming over bridge all get held up at a on/off switch of lights from Great western park Didcot sort your traffic scheme properly and not use planning permision bribes to fund new roading A sign is suffice for this, as used coming out of services near A34, as coming out of daily mail junction near powerstation and as used when turning onto one way streets HPG

9:21am Fri 21 Feb 14

downsview says...

Car 67 wrote:
Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it.
Tesco own the Focus & given their deep pockets they are happy letting it sit there unused & would def. not be looking to let it to Aldi.

That roundabout is under sized for the amount of traffic that uses it which would be eased if Cow Lane was a 2 way street. Biggest issue is for traffic east bound on Hitchcock Way that should be able to filter off the roundabout to carry on towards Marsh Bridge. As for Marsh Lane traffic access should be banned from the east bound lane and they can use the roundabout and return back under the bridge to stop hold-ups which add to the issues at Hitchcock Way.

If Didcot Town Council had pushed for the housing going to Ladygrove North to have been built south of the town then a southern link road from Tesco to go around Fleet Meadow then around the town to link up with the 417 beyond West Hagbourne & the long promised relief road for Harwell with a new junction onto the A34. Now the plans for Chiton will presumably see an improvement to the Chilton Road but if it runs through West Hagbourne it creates more problems than it solves.
[quote][p][bold]Car 67[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it.[/p][/quote]Tesco own the Focus & given their deep pockets they are happy letting it sit there unused & would def. not be looking to let it to Aldi. That roundabout is under sized for the amount of traffic that uses it which would be eased if Cow Lane was a 2 way street. Biggest issue is for traffic east bound on Hitchcock Way that should be able to filter off the roundabout to carry on towards Marsh Bridge. As for Marsh Lane traffic access should be banned from the east bound lane and they can use the roundabout and return back under the bridge to stop hold-ups which add to the issues at Hitchcock Way. If Didcot Town Council had pushed for the housing going to Ladygrove North to have been built south of the town then a southern link road from Tesco to go around Fleet Meadow then around the town to link up with the 417 beyond West Hagbourne & the long promised relief road for Harwell with a new junction onto the A34. Now the plans for Chiton will presumably see an improvement to the Chilton Road but if it runs through West Hagbourne it creates more problems than it solves. downsview

9:42am Fri 21 Feb 14

Diddyman says...

downsview wrote:
Car 67 wrote:
Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it.
Tesco own the Focus & given their deep pockets they are happy letting it sit there unused & would def. not be looking to let it to Aldi.

That roundabout is under sized for the amount of traffic that uses it which would be eased if Cow Lane was a 2 way street. Biggest issue is for traffic east bound on Hitchcock Way that should be able to filter off the roundabout to carry on towards Marsh Bridge. As for Marsh Lane traffic access should be banned from the east bound lane and they can use the roundabout and return back under the bridge to stop hold-ups which add to the issues at Hitchcock Way.

If Didcot Town Council had pushed for the housing going to Ladygrove North to have been built south of the town then a southern link road from Tesco to go around Fleet Meadow then around the town to link up with the 417 beyond West Hagbourne & the long promised relief road for Harwell with a new junction onto the A34. Now the plans for Chiton will presumably see an improvement to the Chilton Road but if it runs through West Hagbourne it creates more problems than it solves.
downsview, wasn't this southern link road refused because it would have meant houses being knocked down in Hagbourne and also going through the last remaining countryside within that area? It would have also carved a way through Millennium Wood, Mowberry Fields and the old railway embankments?? I'm glad it didn't get the go-ahead if that's the case!
[quote][p][bold]downsview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Car 67[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it.[/p][/quote]Tesco own the Focus & given their deep pockets they are happy letting it sit there unused & would def. not be looking to let it to Aldi. That roundabout is under sized for the amount of traffic that uses it which would be eased if Cow Lane was a 2 way street. Biggest issue is for traffic east bound on Hitchcock Way that should be able to filter off the roundabout to carry on towards Marsh Bridge. As for Marsh Lane traffic access should be banned from the east bound lane and they can use the roundabout and return back under the bridge to stop hold-ups which add to the issues at Hitchcock Way. If Didcot Town Council had pushed for the housing going to Ladygrove North to have been built south of the town then a southern link road from Tesco to go around Fleet Meadow then around the town to link up with the 417 beyond West Hagbourne & the long promised relief road for Harwell with a new junction onto the A34. Now the plans for Chiton will presumably see an improvement to the Chilton Road but if it runs through West Hagbourne it creates more problems than it solves.[/p][/quote]downsview, wasn't this southern link road refused because it would have meant houses being knocked down in Hagbourne and also going through the last remaining countryside within that area? It would have also carved a way through Millennium Wood, Mowberry Fields and the old railway embankments?? I'm glad it didn't get the go-ahead if that's the case! Diddyman

1:40pm Fri 21 Feb 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

EMBOX2 wrote:
Oh woe is Didcot.

The new 2000 home (3000+ car) development on the fields north of Ladygrove will add a lot more car trips than a supermarket, many of which to the nearby villages Didcot is trying so hard to swamp.

Well, Mrs Davies et al, I hear you saying nothing about this, and why is that? Because you have double standards. You want more housing, more development, but when it comes to Didcot paying the price, you're against it.

It seems Didcot is full on NIMBYs. Well, just wait until RWE nPower submit their application for a new power station (as Didcot B is closing in 9 years). Oops did I let that out of the bag.........
Ahh the old 2000 home 3000+ car argument always makes me laugh
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX2[/bold] wrote: Oh woe is Didcot. The new 2000 home (3000+ car) development on the fields north of Ladygrove will add a lot more car trips than a supermarket, many of which to the nearby villages Didcot is trying so hard to swamp. Well, Mrs Davies et al, I hear you saying nothing about this, and why is that? Because you have double standards. You want more housing, more development, but when it comes to Didcot paying the price, you're against it. It seems Didcot is full on NIMBYs. Well, just wait until RWE nPower submit their application for a new power station (as Didcot B is closing in 9 years). Oops did I let that out of the bag.........[/p][/quote]Ahh the old 2000 home 3000+ car argument always makes me laugh yabbadabbadoo256

1:41pm Fri 21 Feb 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

downsview wrote:
Car 67 wrote:
Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it.
Tesco own the Focus & given their deep pockets they are happy letting it sit there unused & would def. not be looking to let it to Aldi.

That roundabout is under sized for the amount of traffic that uses it which would be eased if Cow Lane was a 2 way street. Biggest issue is for traffic east bound on Hitchcock Way that should be able to filter off the roundabout to carry on towards Marsh Bridge. As for Marsh Lane traffic access should be banned from the east bound lane and they can use the roundabout and return back under the bridge to stop hold-ups which add to the issues at Hitchcock Way.

If Didcot Town Council had pushed for the housing going to Ladygrove North to have been built south of the town then a southern link road from Tesco to go around Fleet Meadow then around the town to link up with the 417 beyond West Hagbourne & the long promised relief road for Harwell with a new junction onto the A34. Now the plans for Chiton will presumably see an improvement to the Chilton Road but if it runs through West Hagbourne it creates more problems than it solves.
Given half a chance, tesco's would probably rip up that piece of land and redevelop a larger tesco's if they could get halfords to move on
[quote][p][bold]downsview[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Car 67[/bold] wrote: Why doesn't Aldi take over the old Focus store. Already built and been empty for ages. But that would upset Tesco wouldn't it.[/p][/quote]Tesco own the Focus & given their deep pockets they are happy letting it sit there unused & would def. not be looking to let it to Aldi. That roundabout is under sized for the amount of traffic that uses it which would be eased if Cow Lane was a 2 way street. Biggest issue is for traffic east bound on Hitchcock Way that should be able to filter off the roundabout to carry on towards Marsh Bridge. As for Marsh Lane traffic access should be banned from the east bound lane and they can use the roundabout and return back under the bridge to stop hold-ups which add to the issues at Hitchcock Way. If Didcot Town Council had pushed for the housing going to Ladygrove North to have been built south of the town then a southern link road from Tesco to go around Fleet Meadow then around the town to link up with the 417 beyond West Hagbourne & the long promised relief road for Harwell with a new junction onto the A34. Now the plans for Chiton will presumably see an improvement to the Chilton Road but if it runs through West Hagbourne it creates more problems than it solves.[/p][/quote]Given half a chance, tesco's would probably rip up that piece of land and redevelop a larger tesco's if they could get halfords to move on yabbadabbadoo256

4:55pm Fri 21 Feb 14

HPG says...

Allow traffic to get to Sainsburys car park through the bus lane, this will ease traffic away from going around either end and using the Army barracks to Fleetmeadow road.
Then turn broadways one way going from fleetmeadow to the crossroads with the bus lane, this will allow traffic to leave hitchcock way at fleetmeadow roundabout with a lot less traffic to give way too, so traffic can flow through from station and out of carpark easier.
As for this Aldi, this and the station should both be coming out turn left only and use next roundabout you come to, and entering you should go past to the next roundabout and then come back and enter. This will stop ques of traffic forming while people wait to pull in or pull out.
They should perhaps make Harwell bridge a A34 junction too, easing traffic away from this stupid Great western Park Junction for houses south and west of Town....years ago it was said they could break onto the link road with a junction cause of this, now theres gonna be a roundabout just past it too!!
Problem is the council look at figures only behind a desk, they should drive around didcot between 7-9.30 in morning and 4-6 in evening and see real stand still traffic...worrying about traffic for a shop to try and get them to stump money up is least of Didcots worry and plain bribery
Allow traffic to get to Sainsburys car park through the bus lane, this will ease traffic away from going around either end and using the Army barracks to Fleetmeadow road. Then turn broadways one way going from fleetmeadow to the crossroads with the bus lane, this will allow traffic to leave hitchcock way at fleetmeadow roundabout with a lot less traffic to give way too, so traffic can flow through from station and out of carpark easier. As for this Aldi, this and the station should both be coming out turn left only and use next roundabout you come to, and entering you should go past to the next roundabout and then come back and enter. This will stop ques of traffic forming while people wait to pull in or pull out. They should perhaps make Harwell bridge a A34 junction too, easing traffic away from this stupid Great western Park Junction for houses south and west of Town....years ago it was said they could break onto the link road with a junction cause of this, now theres gonna be a roundabout just past it too!! Problem is the council look at figures only behind a desk, they should drive around didcot between 7-9.30 in morning and 4-6 in evening and see real stand still traffic...worrying about traffic for a shop to try and get them to stump money up is least of Didcots worry and plain bribery HPG

1:35pm Mon 24 Feb 14

Adrian1 says...

The stretch of road between roundabouts at the A34 end and this roundabout is already very over subscribed for large chunks of the day. Shopping wise I'm in the middle of it so my freezer is Sainsbury, looks like I get an Aldi choice too, so I won't be adding to the road traffic on that score. (wouldn't want to rip my front valence off on those illegal speed humps in any event). The train station is very close by also yet I normally drive - fortunately just outside of the main congestions. Reference the 'old 2000 homes = 3000 cars bit' Regrettably my home has 5 motor vehicles associated with it, so I would suggest from that sample this number is vastly under calculated. I trust the roundabout improvements will be great, a wormhole to the A34 would be my suggestion.
The stretch of road between roundabouts at the A34 end and this roundabout is already very over subscribed for large chunks of the day. Shopping wise I'm in the middle of it so my freezer is Sainsbury, looks like I get an Aldi choice too, so I won't be adding to the road traffic on that score. (wouldn't want to rip my front valence off on those illegal speed humps in any event). The train station is very close by also yet I normally drive - fortunately just outside of the main congestions. Reference the 'old 2000 homes = 3000 cars bit' Regrettably my home has 5 motor vehicles associated with it, so I would suggest from that sample this number is vastly under calculated. I trust the roundabout improvements will be great, a wormhole to the A34 would be my suggestion. Adrian1

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