Update sat navs to include A41 Bicester crash spot

The Oxford Times: Update sat navs to include crash spot Update sat navs to include crash spot

OWNERS of older sat navs are being advised to update their software to include an accident blackspot roundabout in Bicester.

Oxfordshire County Council has confirmed the roundabout at the junction of Vendee Drive and the A41 dual carriageway is on Ordnance Survey maps, following concerns about a series of crashes there.

Councillors had raised concerns about the safety of the approach to the junction after several vehicles had accidents.

A county council spokesman said: “The recently constructed A41 roundabout is on Ordnance Survey maps from which private satellite navigation companies can obtain their information. It is up to individual companies to ensure that their data is up-to-date.

“It is also possible to update software on older (personal) sat nav systems to include newly constructed highway infrastructure.”

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9:14am Fri 11 Apr 14

scampbird says...

Yep, the problem is obviously sat-navs - rolls eyes. Definitely not that you have a dead-straight dual carriageway off a motorway that then suddenly curves round, unsighted, to a roundabout.
Yep, the problem is obviously sat-navs - rolls eyes. Definitely not that you have a dead-straight dual carriageway off a motorway that then suddenly curves round, unsighted, to a roundabout. scampbird
  • Score: -6

9:20am Fri 11 Apr 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

No the problem is drivers not observing the road properly and driving at an unreasonable speed.
No the problem is drivers not observing the road properly and driving at an unreasonable speed. yabbadabbadoo256
  • Score: 11

10:09am Fri 11 Apr 14

scampbird says...

Drivers are human beings capable of mistakes. This is an NSL dual carriageway that suddenly decides to be a (poorly signed) 40 zone literally yards before a brand new, and unsighted, roundabout. I mean you blame drivers all you like, and there are some terrible drivers out there, but this is also an incredibly poorly designed junction.
Drivers are human beings capable of mistakes. This is an NSL dual carriageway that suddenly decides to be a (poorly signed) 40 zone literally yards before a brand new, and unsighted, roundabout. I mean you blame drivers all you like, and there are some terrible drivers out there, but this is also an incredibly poorly designed junction. scampbird
  • Score: -9

11:05am Fri 11 Apr 14

grandconjuration says...

scampbird wrote:
Drivers are human beings capable of mistakes. This is an NSL dual carriageway that suddenly decides to be a (poorly signed) 40 zone literally yards before a brand new, and unsighted, roundabout. I mean you blame drivers all you like, and there are some terrible drivers out there, but this is also an incredibly poorly designed junction.
The 40 zone starts approximately half a mile before the roundabout. There is a large sign showing a picture of the roundabout. There are markers on both sides of the approach to the roundabout at 300, 200 and 100 yards.

The roundabout is poorly designed only for the blind.
[quote][p][bold]scampbird[/bold] wrote: Drivers are human beings capable of mistakes. This is an NSL dual carriageway that suddenly decides to be a (poorly signed) 40 zone literally yards before a brand new, and unsighted, roundabout. I mean you blame drivers all you like, and there are some terrible drivers out there, but this is also an incredibly poorly designed junction.[/p][/quote]The 40 zone starts approximately half a mile before the roundabout. There is a large sign showing a picture of the roundabout. There are markers on both sides of the approach to the roundabout at 300, 200 and 100 yards. The roundabout is poorly designed only for the blind. grandconjuration
  • Score: 9

11:15am Fri 11 Apr 14

scampbird says...

Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons.
Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons. scampbird
  • Score: -2

11:51am Fri 11 Apr 14

icba1957 says...

scampbird wrote:
Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons.
Yep. Anyone who drives over a roundabout is a cretin.
[quote][p][bold]scampbird[/bold] wrote: Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons.[/p][/quote]Yep. Anyone who drives over a roundabout is a cretin. icba1957
  • Score: 2

11:58am Fri 11 Apr 14

grandconjuration says...

scampbird wrote:
Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons.
Which part of my comment was factually incorrect?

I agree with you - all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers.

The most serious crash at this roundabout was a drunk driver. Most other crashes appear to be due to excessive speed.

It's a rare occurrence to observe a driver adhering to the 40 mph limit on the approach to this roundabout. That is unless there are Police present, when the 40 mph signs suddenly become so much more visible.

We should address by revoking the driving license of anyone who crashes into a roundabout as they have proven that they are incapable of driving safely.
[quote][p][bold]scampbird[/bold] wrote: Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons.[/p][/quote]Which part of my comment was factually incorrect? I agree with you - all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. The most serious crash at this roundabout was a drunk driver. Most other crashes appear to be due to excessive speed. It's a rare occurrence to observe a driver adhering to the 40 mph limit on the approach to this roundabout. That is unless there are Police present, when the 40 mph signs suddenly become so much more visible. We should address by revoking the driving license of anyone who crashes into a roundabout as they have proven that they are incapable of driving safely. grandconjuration
  • Score: 5

12:40pm Fri 11 Apr 14

snert says...

grandconjuration wrote:
scampbird wrote:
Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons.
Which part of my comment was factually incorrect?

I agree with you - all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers.

The most serious crash at this roundabout was a drunk driver. Most other crashes appear to be due to excessive speed.

It's a rare occurrence to observe a driver adhering to the 40 mph limit on the approach to this roundabout. That is unless there are Police present, when the 40 mph signs suddenly become so much more visible.

We should address by revoking the driving license of anyone who crashes into a roundabout as they have proven that they are incapable of driving safely.
You sir, are an oxygen thief. Shut up.

Accidents are by definition "accidental". Crashing doesn't prove that anyone is incapable of driving safely. It simply proves they had an accident.

Blaming excessive speed is a always flawed argument. The layout of the road leading up to the roundabout it fine except for the entry point. There are adequate signs. What is poor is the design of the off-centred roundabout as the entry from the M40 towards Bicester is a steeper left turn than one would ordinarily expect. If the roundabout was not off-centred, this angle would be less steep and someone who has approached the roundabout a little too fast doesn't suddenly lose control as the car slides rather than successfully make the turn.

The design is faulty. It could easily have been designed a different way that would limit the severity of the accidents or indeed, reduce the number of them. The entry lane from the M40 should have been created about 100 yards further up to allow for a lesser angle of approach.
[quote][p][bold]grandconjuration[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scampbird[/bold] wrote: Usual Oxford Mail comments from the keyboard warriors. So all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. So we shouldn't do anything to try and address it other than tell people to update sat navs and slap them across the wrist for not being as brilliant as Oxford Mail internet comment loons.[/p][/quote]Which part of my comment was factually incorrect? I agree with you - all the accidents are purely down to bad drivers. The most serious crash at this roundabout was a drunk driver. Most other crashes appear to be due to excessive speed. It's a rare occurrence to observe a driver adhering to the 40 mph limit on the approach to this roundabout. That is unless there are Police present, when the 40 mph signs suddenly become so much more visible. We should address by revoking the driving license of anyone who crashes into a roundabout as they have proven that they are incapable of driving safely.[/p][/quote]You sir, are an oxygen thief. Shut up. Accidents are by definition "accidental". Crashing doesn't prove that anyone is incapable of driving safely. It simply proves they had an accident. Blaming excessive speed is a always flawed argument. The layout of the road leading up to the roundabout it fine except for the entry point. There are adequate signs. What is poor is the design of the off-centred roundabout as the entry from the M40 towards Bicester is a steeper left turn than one would ordinarily expect. If the roundabout was not off-centred, this angle would be less steep and someone who has approached the roundabout a little too fast doesn't suddenly lose control as the car slides rather than successfully make the turn. The design is faulty. It could easily have been designed a different way that would limit the severity of the accidents or indeed, reduce the number of them. The entry lane from the M40 should have been created about 100 yards further up to allow for a lesser angle of approach. snert
  • Score: -4

1:21pm Fri 11 Apr 14

grandconjuration says...

Now, now. Abuse is usually the sign of a lost argument.

"Accidents are by definition "accidental". Crashing doesn't prove that anyone is incapable of driving safely. It simply proves they had an accident"

Utter rubbish. Most collisions are described as accidents, yet they are completely preventable. The most serious 'accident' at this roundabout could have been prevented by the driver not being drunk.

"Blaming excessive speed is a always flawed argument" and "...someone who has approached the roundabout a little too fast doesn't suddenly lose control as the car slides..."

You have contradicted yourself. The simple way to avoid this is by not approaching the roundabout too fast.

How many 'accidents' have there actually been at this roundabout since it was built? Three, six, ten? I would wager that greater than 99.99% of drivers manage to negotiate the roundabout each day without any problem. It's a rare occurrence that some muppet not paying attention hits the roundabout. This strongly suggests that it's not road design, but driver error at fault.

I will be driving around the roundabout on my way home tonight, making sure that I don't end up on top of it.
Now, now. Abuse is usually the sign of a lost argument. "Accidents are by definition "accidental". Crashing doesn't prove that anyone is incapable of driving safely. It simply proves they had an accident" Utter rubbish. Most collisions are described as accidents, yet they are completely preventable. The most serious 'accident' at this roundabout could have been prevented by the driver not being drunk. "Blaming excessive speed is a always flawed argument" and "...someone who has approached the roundabout a little too fast doesn't suddenly lose control as the car slides..." You have contradicted yourself. The simple way to avoid this is by not approaching the roundabout too fast. How many 'accidents' have there actually been at this roundabout since it was built? Three, six, ten? I would wager that greater than 99.99% of drivers manage to negotiate the roundabout each day without any problem. It's a rare occurrence that some muppet not paying attention hits the roundabout. This strongly suggests that it's not road design, but driver error at fault. I will be driving around the roundabout on my way home tonight, making sure that I don't end up on top of it. grandconjuration
  • Score: 4

2:38pm Fri 11 Apr 14

hagar1 says...

Like it or not, it is sound advice. Some people, I am sure, don't know there is a roundabout there and having replaced their need to think with a SatNav drive onto the junction too fast. Having driven over this roundabout hundreds of times I am still staggered by the amount of people who either ignore or simply don't see the traffic signs. I am sure some of them think the signs are for the next roundabout, as per their SatNav, rather than the one they are too hastily approaching.
Like it or not, it is sound advice. Some people, I am sure, don't know there is a roundabout there and having replaced their need to think with a SatNav drive onto the junction too fast. Having driven over this roundabout hundreds of times I am still staggered by the amount of people who either ignore or simply don't see the traffic signs. I am sure some of them think the signs are for the next roundabout, as per their SatNav, rather than the one they are too hastily approaching. hagar1
  • Score: 3

3:29pm Fri 11 Apr 14

snert says...

"...Utter rubbish. Most collisions are described as accidents, yet they are completely preventable. The most serious 'accident' at this roundabout could have been prevented by the driver not being drunk..."

Actually police use the terms incident and collision because they don't imply responsibility or absolve anyone of potential responsibility. The term "accident" is used in official paperwork when the incident in question was unintentional with no apportionable responsibility or cause.
"...Utter rubbish. Most collisions are described as accidents, yet they are completely preventable. The most serious 'accident' at this roundabout could have been prevented by the driver not being drunk..." Actually police use the terms incident and collision because they don't imply responsibility or absolve anyone of potential responsibility. The term "accident" is used in official paperwork when the incident in question was unintentional with no apportionable responsibility or cause. snert
  • Score: 1

9:16pm Fri 11 Apr 14

badger77 says...

grandconjuration wrote:
scampbird wrote:
Drivers are human beings capable of mistakes. This is an NSL dual carriageway that suddenly decides to be a (poorly signed) 40 zone literally yards before a brand new, and unsighted, roundabout. I mean you blame drivers all you like, and there are some terrible drivers out there, but this is also an incredibly poorly designed junction.
The 40 zone starts approximately half a mile before the roundabout. There is a large sign showing a picture of the roundabout. There are markers on both sides of the approach to the roundabout at 300, 200 and 100 yards.

The roundabout is poorly designed only for the blind.
Yes the roundabout is signposted but what it doesn't show is the near 90 degree bend immediately before it. This is the problem, not the roundabout.
[quote][p][bold]grandconjuration[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]scampbird[/bold] wrote: Drivers are human beings capable of mistakes. This is an NSL dual carriageway that suddenly decides to be a (poorly signed) 40 zone literally yards before a brand new, and unsighted, roundabout. I mean you blame drivers all you like, and there are some terrible drivers out there, but this is also an incredibly poorly designed junction.[/p][/quote]The 40 zone starts approximately half a mile before the roundabout. There is a large sign showing a picture of the roundabout. There are markers on both sides of the approach to the roundabout at 300, 200 and 100 yards. The roundabout is poorly designed only for the blind.[/p][/quote]Yes the roundabout is signposted but what it doesn't show is the near 90 degree bend immediately before it. This is the problem, not the roundabout. badger77
  • Score: 0

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