Gatwick-Oxford rail link planned

David Nimmo Smith

David Nimmo Smith

First published in News

OXFORD looks set to get a direct rail connection with Gatwick Airport by 2020.

London’s second-largest international airport has announced a range of measures to improve its reach, which includes an aim to connect with 175 mainline stations in the next six years.

Airport spokesman Russell Guthrie said: “The connection to Oxford will be (part of) improvements to rail infrastructure at Reading and to Milton Keynes.”

He added that the connection to Oxford would not happen until Gatwick completes its direct rail link to Cambridge and Peterborough in 2019.

Oxfordshire County Council member for environment and transport David Nimmo Smith said he was unaware of the proposals, but said: “The council has not yet thought this though, but it is an interesting idea and would be a big benefit for Oxford.”

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8:58am Tue 10 Jun 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

This does not put our local authorities in a good light.

Residents have for years put up with the quite pathetic anxious hand-wringing of our local authorities and "Activists" when it comes to roads, congestion and public transport infrastructure around out city.

It would now appear that our only true hope of incremental improvements to public transport infractructure in Oxford is through a commercial company based in Sussex owned by:-

Global Investment Partners
Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (ADIA)
National Pension Service of Korea (NPS)
California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS)
Future Fund of Australia

Essentially, local authority pension funds around the world have got a better grasp on the need for improved public transport infrastrucure in Oxford than our very own representatives in Town & County Halls...
This does not put our local authorities in a good light. Residents have for years put up with the quite pathetic anxious hand-wringing of our local authorities and "Activists" when it comes to roads, congestion and public transport infrastructure around out city. It would now appear that our only true hope of incremental improvements to public transport infractructure in Oxford is through a commercial company based in Sussex owned by:- Global Investment Partners Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (ADIA) National Pension Service of Korea (NPS) California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) Future Fund of Australia Essentially, local authority pension funds around the world have got a better grasp on the need for improved public transport infrastrucure in Oxford than our very own representatives in Town & County Halls... Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 4

10:05am Tue 10 Jun 14

Red Robbo 2 says...

Hmmm I seem to remember that not too long ago Oxford had a direct rail link to Gatwick (oh, yes, and Brighton, Swindon, Bristol, Liverpool and other places north of Crewe, Cambridge and so on...). Not to mention guards vans to put bikes in, and if you didn't feel so energetic, electric buses to deliver you to the railway station from stops around the centre of Oxford.

Such is progress!

Oh and one small problem. By the time this takes place (2019), Oxford will have electric trains to Paddington. Unfortunately there are large sections of the line between Reading and Redhill which are not electrified and there are no plans to do so. So this would mean diesel trains (Thames Turbos(?) approaching 30 years old by then) running under the wires from Oxford to Reading? Somehow I think not: more transport "pie in the sky" (or in this case "pie in the airport").
Hmmm I seem to remember that not too long ago Oxford had a direct rail link to Gatwick (oh, yes, and Brighton, Swindon, Bristol, Liverpool and other places north of Crewe, Cambridge and so on...). Not to mention guards vans to put bikes in, and if you didn't feel so energetic, electric buses to deliver you to the railway station from stops around the centre of Oxford. Such is progress! Oh and one small problem. By the time this takes place (2019), Oxford will have electric trains to Paddington. Unfortunately there are large sections of the line between Reading and Redhill which are not electrified and there are no plans to do so. So this would mean diesel trains (Thames Turbos(?) approaching 30 years old by then) running under the wires from Oxford to Reading? Somehow I think not: more transport "pie in the sky" (or in this case "pie in the airport"). Red Robbo 2
  • Score: 1

10:57am Tue 10 Jun 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

Red Robbo 2 wrote:
Hmmm I seem to remember that not too long ago Oxford had a direct rail link to Gatwick (oh, yes, and Brighton, Swindon, Bristol, Liverpool and other places north of Crewe, Cambridge and so on...). Not to mention guards vans to put bikes in, and if you didn't feel so energetic, electric buses to deliver you to the railway station from stops around the centre of Oxford.

Such is progress!

Oh and one small problem. By the time this takes place (2019), Oxford will have electric trains to Paddington. Unfortunately there are large sections of the line between Reading and Redhill which are not electrified and there are no plans to do so. So this would mean diesel trains (Thames Turbos(?) approaching 30 years old by then) running under the wires from Oxford to Reading? Somehow I think not: more transport "pie in the sky" (or in this case "pie in the airport").
Once the E-W link reaches Bedford, Luton Airport Parkway will be accessible in around an hour from Oxford by train.

I'm also wondering if the plans for Oxford-Gatwick are via a new "Millbrook" chord to access the Bed-Pan line then onto Gatwick & Brighton.
[quote][p][bold]Red Robbo 2[/bold] wrote: Hmmm I seem to remember that not too long ago Oxford had a direct rail link to Gatwick (oh, yes, and Brighton, Swindon, Bristol, Liverpool and other places north of Crewe, Cambridge and so on...). Not to mention guards vans to put bikes in, and if you didn't feel so energetic, electric buses to deliver you to the railway station from stops around the centre of Oxford. Such is progress! Oh and one small problem. By the time this takes place (2019), Oxford will have electric trains to Paddington. Unfortunately there are large sections of the line between Reading and Redhill which are not electrified and there are no plans to do so. So this would mean diesel trains (Thames Turbos(?) approaching 30 years old by then) running under the wires from Oxford to Reading? Somehow I think not: more transport "pie in the sky" (or in this case "pie in the airport").[/p][/quote]Once the E-W link reaches Bedford, Luton Airport Parkway will be accessible in around an hour from Oxford by train. I'm also wondering if the plans for Oxford-Gatwick are via a new "Millbrook" chord to access the Bed-Pan line then onto Gatwick & Brighton. Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 2

11:43am Tue 10 Jun 14

EMBOX2 says...

Anything to stop the Oxford Bus Company's monopoly on the Oxford-Gatwick route. £42 return? Total scam.
Anything to stop the Oxford Bus Company's monopoly on the Oxford-Gatwick route. £42 return? Total scam. EMBOX2
  • Score: 4

2:53pm Tue 10 Jun 14

King Joke says...

EMBOX2 wrote:
Anything to stop the Oxford Bus Company's monopoly on the Oxford-Gatwick route. £42 return? Total scam.
Why is this a scam? It's a faster, more comfortable and more direct service than the train and runs through the night. Unlike the train it also offers leather seats and wi-fi. If you don't like you are welcome to take the train.
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX2[/bold] wrote: Anything to stop the Oxford Bus Company's monopoly on the Oxford-Gatwick route. £42 return? Total scam.[/p][/quote]Why is this a scam? It's a faster, more comfortable and more direct service than the train and runs through the night. Unlike the train it also offers leather seats and wi-fi. If you don't like you are welcome to take the train. King Joke
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Tue 10 Jun 14

King Joke says...

Andrew:Oxford wrote:
This does not put our local authorities in a good light.

Residents have for years put up with the quite pathetic anxious hand-wringing of our local authorities and "Activists" when it comes to roads, congestion and public transport infrastructure around out city.

It would now appear that our only true hope of incremental improvements to public transport infractructure in Oxford is through a commercial company based in Sussex owned by:-

Global Investment Partners
Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (ADIA)
National Pension Service of Korea (NPS)
California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS)
Future Fund of Australia

Essentially, local authority pension funds around the world have got a better grasp on the need for improved public transport infrastrucure in Oxford than our very own representatives in Town & County Halls...
Erm, neither the County or City are rail authorities. What measures are within their power to encourage rail links between Oxford and Gatwick?
[quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: This does not put our local authorities in a good light. Residents have for years put up with the quite pathetic anxious hand-wringing of our local authorities and "Activists" when it comes to roads, congestion and public transport infrastructure around out city. It would now appear that our only true hope of incremental improvements to public transport infractructure in Oxford is through a commercial company based in Sussex owned by:- Global Investment Partners Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (ADIA) National Pension Service of Korea (NPS) California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) Future Fund of Australia Essentially, local authority pension funds around the world have got a better grasp on the need for improved public transport infrastrucure in Oxford than our very own representatives in Town & County Halls...[/p][/quote]Erm, neither the County or City are rail authorities. What measures are within their power to encourage rail links between Oxford and Gatwick? King Joke
  • Score: 0

3:05pm Tue 10 Jun 14

King Joke says...

Red Robbo 2 wrote:
Hmmm I seem to remember that not too long ago Oxford had a direct rail link to Gatwick (oh, yes, and Brighton, Swindon, Bristol, Liverpool and other places north of Crewe, Cambridge and so on...). Not to mention guards vans to put bikes in, and if you didn't feel so energetic, electric buses to deliver you to the railway station from stops around the centre of Oxford.

Such is progress!

Oh and one small problem. By the time this takes place (2019), Oxford will have electric trains to Paddington. Unfortunately there are large sections of the line between Reading and Redhill which are not electrified and there are no plans to do so. So this would mean diesel trains (Thames Turbos(?) approaching 30 years old by then) running under the wires from Oxford to Reading? Somehow I think not: more transport "pie in the sky" (or in this case "pie in the airport").
You're right about the NOrth Downs Line, and dead right of course about proper trains with guards' vans but:

1. Cambridge has not been linked to Oxford for almost fify years.

2. LEt's not get too misty-eyed about the old XC network serving dozens of destinations. The route north of Crewe in particular was hopelessly difficult for XC services. I wouldn't want to repeat the dismal afternoons I spent for years at New St or Cov waiting trains back to Oxford which were at least 30 down every time I caught it because they had been caught somewhere around Edinburgh, Carlisle, Preston, Manchester, Stafford or Wolverhampton. It got a lot better when the network was cut right back.
[quote][p][bold]Red Robbo 2[/bold] wrote: Hmmm I seem to remember that not too long ago Oxford had a direct rail link to Gatwick (oh, yes, and Brighton, Swindon, Bristol, Liverpool and other places north of Crewe, Cambridge and so on...). Not to mention guards vans to put bikes in, and if you didn't feel so energetic, electric buses to deliver you to the railway station from stops around the centre of Oxford. Such is progress! Oh and one small problem. By the time this takes place (2019), Oxford will have electric trains to Paddington. Unfortunately there are large sections of the line between Reading and Redhill which are not electrified and there are no plans to do so. So this would mean diesel trains (Thames Turbos(?) approaching 30 years old by then) running under the wires from Oxford to Reading? Somehow I think not: more transport "pie in the sky" (or in this case "pie in the airport").[/p][/quote]You're right about the NOrth Downs Line, and dead right of course about proper trains with guards' vans [and buffets, and table seating, and proper window alignment] but: 1. Cambridge has not been linked to Oxford for almost fify years. 2. LEt's not get too misty-eyed about the old XC network serving dozens of destinations. The route north of Crewe in particular was hopelessly difficult for XC services. I wouldn't want to repeat the dismal afternoons I spent for years at New St or Cov waiting trains back to Oxford which were at least 30 down every time I caught it because they had been caught somewhere around Edinburgh, Carlisle, Preston, Manchester, Stafford or Wolverhampton. It got a lot better when the network was cut right back. King Joke
  • Score: -1

4:37pm Tue 10 Jun 14

Andrew:Oxford says...

King Joke wrote:
Andrew:Oxford wrote:
This does not put our local authorities in a good light.

Residents have for years put up with the quite pathetic anxious hand-wringing of our local authorities and "Activists" when it comes to roads, congestion and public transport infrastructure around out city.

It would now appear that our only true hope of incremental improvements to public transport infractructure in Oxford is through a commercial company based in Sussex owned by:-

Global Investment Partners
Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (ADIA)
National Pension Service of Korea (NPS)
California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS)
Future Fund of Australia

Essentially, local authority pension funds around the world have got a better grasp on the need for improved public transport infrastrucure in Oxford than our very own representatives in Town & County Halls...
Erm, neither the County or City are rail authorities. What measures are within their power to encourage rail links between Oxford and Gatwick?
Probably no greater than Edinburgh City Council when their "TIE" partnership rebuilt the Alloa line in partnership with Clackmannanshire council...
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andrew:Oxford[/bold] wrote: This does not put our local authorities in a good light. Residents have for years put up with the quite pathetic anxious hand-wringing of our local authorities and "Activists" when it comes to roads, congestion and public transport infrastructure around out city. It would now appear that our only true hope of incremental improvements to public transport infractructure in Oxford is through a commercial company based in Sussex owned by:- Global Investment Partners Abu Dhabi Investment Authority (ADIA) National Pension Service of Korea (NPS) California Public Employees’ Retirement System (CalPERS) Future Fund of Australia Essentially, local authority pension funds around the world have got a better grasp on the need for improved public transport infrastrucure in Oxford than our very own representatives in Town & County Halls...[/p][/quote]Erm, neither the County or City are rail authorities. What measures are within their power to encourage rail links between Oxford and Gatwick?[/p][/quote]Probably no greater than Edinburgh City Council when their "TIE" partnership rebuilt the Alloa line in partnership with Clackmannanshire council... Andrew:Oxford
  • Score: 0

6:43pm Tue 10 Jun 14

EMBOX2 says...

King Joke wrote:
EMBOX2 wrote:
Anything to stop the Oxford Bus Company's monopoly on the Oxford-Gatwick route. £42 return? Total scam.
Why is this a scam? It's a faster, more comfortable and more direct service than the train and runs through the night. Unlike the train it also offers leather seats and wi-fi. If you don't like you are welcome to take the train.
A day return to London with the same company is less than half the price of a return to Gatwick.

The only reason this is the case is the Oxford Tube - i.e. competition. The Heathrow and Gatwick buses have no real competition, and thus OBC can charge pretty much what they like.

So yes, it is a scam.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EMBOX2[/bold] wrote: Anything to stop the Oxford Bus Company's monopoly on the Oxford-Gatwick route. £42 return? Total scam.[/p][/quote]Why is this a scam? It's a faster, more comfortable and more direct service than the train and runs through the night. Unlike the train it also offers leather seats and wi-fi. If you don't like you are welcome to take the train.[/p][/quote]A day return to London with the same company is less than half the price of a return to Gatwick. The only reason this is the case is the Oxford Tube - i.e. competition. The Heathrow and Gatwick buses have no real competition, and thus OBC can charge pretty much what they like. So yes, it is a scam. EMBOX2
  • Score: 1

6:30am Wed 11 Jun 14

King Joke says...

Ah, competition - nothing to do with the fact you have a backload from London and the bus is full both ways, unlike airport runs where many journeys are empty one way.

At any rate there is competition, from the railway. It's cheaper and you're welcome to use it. It just isn't as good. There are a number of rail/bus options to Heathrow too. Some are far less convenient than the LHR/OXF bus service, and some are more expensive. You get what you pay for sonny.
Ah, competition - nothing to do with the fact you have a backload from London and the bus is full both ways, unlike airport runs where many journeys are empty one way. At any rate there is competition, from the railway. It's cheaper and you're welcome to use it. It just isn't as good. There are a number of rail/bus options to Heathrow too. Some are far less convenient than the LHR/OXF bus service, and some are more expensive. You get what you pay for sonny. King Joke
  • Score: -2

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