Judge in rape trial warning: ‘Conviction rates will not improve until women stop drinking so heavily’

RETIRED: Judge Mary Jane  Mowat

RETIRED: Judge Mary Jane Mowat

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A FORMER judge has said the rape conviction rate will not improve until women stop drinking so heavily.

Judge Mary Jane Mowat – who retired this month – said it is often difficult to secure rape convictions as it is “one person’s word against another”.

And she described criminals only serving half their sentences in prison as “the biggest fraud on the public ever”.

The national rape conviction rate after trial of 60 per cent was partly an “inevitable” result of the lack of corroborative evidence, said Judge Mowat.

In an interview with the Oxford Mail, she said she had presided over back-to-back trials where a female complainant had been so drunk she could not remember what happened.

Judge Mowat, 66, who has worked at Oxford Crown Court, said: “It is an inevitable fact of it being one person’s word against another, and the burden of proof being that you have to be sure before you convict.“I will also say, and I will be pilloried for saying so, but the rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk.

“I’m not saying it’s right to rape a drunken woman, I’m not saying for a moment that it’s allowable to take advantage of a drunken woman.

The Oxford Times:

  • NOTED: Oxford Mail reporter Joe Nimmo interviews Judge Mary Jane Mowat at her home  

“But a jury in a position where they’ve got a woman who says ‘I was absolutely off my head, I can’t really remember what I was doing, I can’t remember what I said, I can’t remember if I consented or not but I know I wouldn’t have done’. I mean when a jury is faced with something like that,how are they supposed to react?”

Just 24 per cent of sex trials at Oxford Crown Court resulted in convictions last year, the lowest for at least six years, figures obtained by the Oxford Mail through the Freedom of Information Act show.

The circuit judge of 18 years – who stepped down on August 1 – raised concerns about the automatic release of prisoners on fixed-term sentences half-way through their time.

Prisoners spend the second half of their sentence on licence and if they break any conditions of their release then they can be returned to prison.

She said: “One thing that judges can’t change is the prison regulations, which to me are the biggest fraud on the public ever.

“You get a three-year sentence and in fact it means only one-and-a-half years, it’s automatically one half.

“Now the public were never told this was going to happen, it was done by a sort of statutory regulation. And in fact people are by and large getting out well before that on a home detention curfew on a tag.

“The public are beginning to wake up to it but it has been happening for years, quietly, without it ever being announced.

“So that’s why I say it’s a fraud on the public.

“It has been done to empty the prisons, because they just haven’t got enough places in prisons, they are bursting.”

Oxford Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre service manager Natalie Brook described Judge Mowat’s comments as “outrageous”.

She said: “Suggesting that rape conviction statistics will not improve until women stop getting so drunk is an outrageous, misguided and frankly dangerous statement to make.

“Rape convictions will improve when those who perpetrate it – who are disproportionately male – stop raping, and when society stops blaming women for somehow being complicit in this act of violence.

“Rape is 100 per cent the fault of the perpetrator, and suggesting otherwise serves only to feed myths that do nothing other than deter women from reporting this crime or accessing the support they need.

“Eighty five thousand women are raped every year in England and Wales and the majority of rapes are committed by partners.

“Yet only 15 per cent of those who experience rape will report to the police.

“With victim-blaming attitudes like those displayed by Judge Mowat it is no surprise that conviction rates remain so low.’’

CELEBRITY CONCERNS

HISTORIC sex allegations against celebrities highlights the difficulty in providing evidence, Judge Mowat said.

She said: “What I got very angry about were cases where these celebrities were being acquitted and the papers or commentators were saying ‘why was he ever prosecuted, there was no evidence’.

“By which they meant there was no DNA, there was no forensic evidence. Well you’re not going to get it in these cases.

“If it’s a recent case you might get some DNA, you don’t usually get injuries because people are usually too sensible to fight and are usually in a state of frozen fear that prevents them fighting back, which is an aspect of people’s reaction to sexual offences, so you’re not going to get that kind of evidence.

“But to say there was no evidence is just rubbish, because the victim’s account is evidence, and it’s for the jury to decide if they believe it or not.”

MOST NOTABLE CASES

Significant cases at Oxford Crown Court:

  • Last year Judge Mowat presided over the case of three directors of Oxfordshire software firm Torex Retail, who were jailed after being convicted of defrauding shareholders. The company’s top accountant Mark Woodbridge was jailed for three years and 10 months after a 14-week trial prosecuted by the Serious Fraud Office.
  • Judge Mowat warned of the dangers of young people accessing internet pornography after she sentenced a 14-year-old boy for a “copycat’’ rape committed after he accessed porn using his Playstation. She spared the youth a detention sentence and made him subject to a rehabilitation order and supervision.
  • Judge Mowat presided over the trial of former Tory councillor John Morgan, who was convicted after a trial of stealing £154,000 from a pensioner suffering from Alzheimer’s. Morgan, who admitted gambling all the money away in Las Vegas and on fruit machines, was jailed for five years.

‘DANGEROUS CUTS’

CUTS and reforms to the probation and prison service are “becoming dangerous”, Judge Mowat warned.

From next year, most probation work for low and medium-risk cases in England and Wales will be split between a new public body, private companies and voluntary groups.

She said: “I think the situation is becoming dangerous. Obviously we have economic troubles and one approach is to cut spending.

“But I think there are some things that are so basic that they should be exempt, frankly, from wholesale cuts.

“And the criminal justice system, which involves the safety of the public, is one of those things that shouldn’t be cut, in my view.

“I think the situation in some of the prisons is absolutely appalling.

“And I do not know how it is going to work out with the probation service, but I do know probation officers are deeply unhappy about it.”

  • ‘INDEPENDENCE AT RISK’

PEOPLE accused of crimes that could land them with prison sentences are among those unable to get a state-funded legal representation because of legal aid cuts, she said.

Legal aid fees in England and Wales have been cut by up to 30 per cent in an attempt to reduce a £2bn-a-year bill. This has led to reports of barristers refusing to take on long or complex cases.

She said: “I’ve had a few people already saying they haven’t been able to get legal aid to be represented in situations where they were facing custodial sentences.

“And it’s going to kill the independent criminal bar, they’re just not going to be able to make a living. In Oxfordshire, as in other places, we now have a lot of barristers who are in-house and employed by solicitors’ firms.

“And that’s all right, but it’s a very great shame that advocates end up only doing one side, only prosecuting or only defending.

“Because one of the great strengths of the bar, we always said, was its independence.

“The fact you could be prosecuting one day, defending the next, and you maintained an independence of mind about things, you didn’t have an allegiance.”

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10:50am Tue 26 Aug 14

xenarthra says...

The Oxford Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre service manager's "outrage" is completely misplaced. Just has missed the point. The judge is not saying that the number of rapes would reduce if women drank less, but that the conviction rate would increase if victims were sober because they would then be able to provide more convincing testimony. It would of course be a good thing if men were to "stop raping", but this is quite irrelevant to the point the judge was making, which relates to the quality of evidence after a rape has occurred.
The Oxford Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre service manager's "outrage" is completely misplaced. Just has missed the point. The judge is not saying that the number of rapes would reduce if women drank less, but that the conviction rate would increase if victims were sober because they would then be able to provide more convincing testimony. It would of course be a good thing if men were to "stop raping", but this is quite irrelevant to the point the judge was making, which relates to the quality of evidence after a rape has occurred. xenarthra
  • Score: 45

11:11am Tue 26 Aug 14

WitneyGreen says...

xenarthra wrote:
The Oxford Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre service manager's "outrage" is completely misplaced. Just has missed the point. The judge is not saying that the number of rapes would reduce if women drank less, but that the conviction rate would increase if victims were sober because they would then be able to provide more convincing testimony. It would of course be a good thing if men were to "stop raping", but this is quite irrelevant to the point the judge was making, which relates to the quality of evidence after a rape has occurred.
Absolutely correct. Of course in an ideal world men would not rape, however in a world where unfortunately some men are rapists, we need to do everything we can to increase the conviction rate and get these criminals put in jail.
[quote][p][bold]xenarthra[/bold] wrote: The Oxford Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre service manager's "outrage" is completely misplaced. Just has missed the point. The judge is not saying that the number of rapes would reduce if women drank less, but that the conviction rate would increase if victims were sober because they would then be able to provide more convincing testimony. It would of course be a good thing if men were to "stop raping", but this is quite irrelevant to the point the judge was making, which relates to the quality of evidence after a rape has occurred.[/p][/quote]Absolutely correct. Of course in an ideal world men would not rape, however in a world where unfortunately some men are rapists, we need to do everything we can to increase the conviction rate and get these criminals put in jail. WitneyGreen
  • Score: 13

11:32am Tue 26 Aug 14

ashleyc says...

Xenarthra, my thoughts exactly. I think that the statement by Mary Jane is very well thought out and she is obviously trying to make a legal point without making it seem like victim blaming. I wonder if Natalie Brook has only been given a specific fraction of the statement and asked to comment on that.
Xenarthra, my thoughts exactly. I think that the statement by Mary Jane is very well thought out and she is obviously trying to make a legal point without making it seem like victim blaming. I wonder if Natalie Brook has only been given a specific fraction of the statement and asked to comment on that. ashleyc
  • Score: 28

11:54am Tue 26 Aug 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

Completely agree, if rape victims were sober, and therefore more aware of what was occurring, juries would be more inclined to believe what the victim had said to be fact, father than alcohol induced memories, or post drink regrets.
Rapes should never happen, women who wear revealing clothing are not inviting men to take advantage of them, no matter what some people think, but drinking to excess is going to leave them very vulnerable, and susceptible to attack.
By all means enjoy a drink, but when your native tongue becomes your second language, it usually means you've drunk too much.
Completely agree, if rape victims were sober, and therefore more aware of what was occurring, juries would be more inclined to believe what the victim had said to be fact, father than alcohol induced memories, or post drink regrets. Rapes should never happen, women who wear revealing clothing are not inviting men to take advantage of them, no matter what some people think, but drinking to excess is going to leave them very vulnerable, and susceptible to attack. By all means enjoy a drink, but when your native tongue becomes your second language, it usually means you've drunk too much. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 17

4:55pm Tue 26 Aug 14

davidmadison says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
Completely agree, if rape victims were sober, and therefore more aware of what was occurring, juries would be more inclined to believe what the victim had said to be fact, father than alcohol induced memories, or post drink regrets.
Rapes should never happen, women who wear revealing clothing are not inviting men to take advantage of them, no matter what some people think, but drinking to excess is going to leave them very vulnerable, and susceptible to attack.
By all means enjoy a drink, but when your native tongue becomes your second language, it usually means you've drunk too much.
By attack you mean the drunk women hits on the guy , begs him to sleep with her, than accuses the guy of rape because he took advantage of her.
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: Completely agree, if rape victims were sober, and therefore more aware of what was occurring, juries would be more inclined to believe what the victim had said to be fact, father than alcohol induced memories, or post drink regrets. Rapes should never happen, women who wear revealing clothing are not inviting men to take advantage of them, no matter what some people think, but drinking to excess is going to leave them very vulnerable, and susceptible to attack. By all means enjoy a drink, but when your native tongue becomes your second language, it usually means you've drunk too much.[/p][/quote]By attack you mean the drunk women hits on the guy , begs him to sleep with her, than accuses the guy of rape because he took advantage of her. davidmadison
  • Score: 3

6:56pm Tue 26 Aug 14

AylesburyOx says...

As much as I agree with Judge Mowat and the above comments, and believe me I do. I would also say that if you're a bloke and you are aware that the girl who you are chatting up (or who is chatting you up) is completely off her face, something, which let's be honest we are all aware of then men need to think with their brain rather than their pen.is and make a sensible decision rather than one that can ruined many lives forever.
As much as I agree with Judge Mowat and the above comments, and believe me I do. I would also say that if you're a bloke and you are aware that the girl who you are chatting up (or who is chatting you up) is completely off her face, something, which let's be honest we are all aware of then men need to think with their brain rather than their pen.is and make a sensible decision rather than one that can ruined many lives forever. AylesburyOx
  • Score: 16

10:35pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Severian says...

I'm sorry for all the women I offend but I think the judge is absolutely right. A jury has to be sure "beyond all reasonable doubt" that the man is guilty of having sex with the woman without her consent.

If the woman says "I can't remember a single thing because I was so off my head, but I'm sure I wouldn't have given consent" then there is no way I would vote for conviction if I was on a jury. You are being asked to destroy a man's life on the basis of the lack of recollection of a woman who got totally drunk and is then making an accusation based on her sober morals, trying to guess what she would or wouldn't have done had she not been drinking.

As a man there have been only one or two times in my entire life where I got so drunk that I can't remember much about the night before. But nowadays getting totally wasted seems to be the point of a night out for many people (men and women) every week. And we see the results on our streets every Saturday night.
I'm sorry for all the women I offend but I think the judge is absolutely right. A jury has to be sure "beyond all reasonable doubt" that the man is guilty of having sex with the woman without her consent. If the woman says "I can't remember a single thing because I was so off my head, but I'm sure I wouldn't have given consent" then there is no way I would vote for conviction if I was on a jury. You are being asked to destroy a man's life on the basis of the lack of recollection of a woman who got totally drunk and is then making an accusation based on her sober morals, trying to guess what she would or wouldn't have done had she not been drinking. As a man there have been only one or two times in my entire life where I got so drunk that I can't remember much about the night before. But nowadays getting totally wasted seems to be the point of a night out for many people (men and women) every week. And we see the results on our streets every Saturday night. Severian
  • Score: 8

11:31pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

Severian wrote:
I'm sorry for all the women I offend but I think the judge is absolutely right. A jury has to be sure "beyond all reasonable doubt" that the man is guilty of having sex with the woman without her consent.

If the woman says "I can't remember a single thing because I was so off my head, but I'm sure I wouldn't have given consent" then there is no way I would vote for conviction if I was on a jury. You are being asked to destroy a man's life on the basis of the lack of recollection of a woman who got totally drunk and is then making an accusation based on her sober morals, trying to guess what she would or wouldn't have done had she not been drinking.

As a man there have been only one or two times in my entire life where I got so drunk that I can't remember much about the night before. But nowadays getting totally wasted seems to be the point of a night out for many people (men and women) every week. And we see the results on our streets every Saturday night.
Only one or two times, gosh, what a sheltered life you've lead ;-P
[quote][p][bold]Severian[/bold] wrote: I'm sorry for all the women I offend but I think the judge is absolutely right. A jury has to be sure "beyond all reasonable doubt" that the man is guilty of having sex with the woman without her consent. If the woman says "I can't remember a single thing because I was so off my head, but I'm sure I wouldn't have given consent" then there is no way I would vote for conviction if I was on a jury. You are being asked to destroy a man's life on the basis of the lack of recollection of a woman who got totally drunk and is then making an accusation based on her sober morals, trying to guess what she would or wouldn't have done had she not been drinking. As a man there have been only one or two times in my entire life where I got so drunk that I can't remember much about the night before. But nowadays getting totally wasted seems to be the point of a night out for many people (men and women) every week. And we see the results on our streets every Saturday night.[/p][/quote]Only one or two times, gosh, what a sheltered life you've lead ;-P Dilligaf2010
  • Score: -15

6:23am Wed 27 Aug 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

I had a score of 14 about 8 hours ago, and I've been given a score of -7 for my tongue-in-check comment in reply to Severian's comment, I have clearly upset a few trolls :-)
I had a score of 14 about 8 hours ago, and I've been given a score of -7 for my tongue-in-check comment in reply to Severian's comment, I have clearly upset a few trolls :-) Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 0

7:38am Wed 27 Aug 14

Keith 4597 says...

The learned judge is wrong. The public HAVE been and continue to be aware, and infuriated for many many years that prisoners only serve half their sentences,
We are all fed up with spineless punishments and smirking scroats.
The learned judge is wrong. The public HAVE been and continue to be aware, and infuriated for many many years that prisoners only serve half their sentences, We are all fed up with spineless punishments and smirking scroats. Keith 4597
  • Score: 6

4:05pm Wed 27 Aug 14

pun-jabi says...

No No No you've got it all wrong.....maybe the ACCUSATION rate will decrease the less drunk women there are about??? also why are men named before even a conviction but the victim is not???....s#it sticks and even a accusation can and usually does end a relationship.....als
o when it is proved a woman lied and made up the accusation she should get the same sentence as the accused would have got...............wo
men want equal rights but it doesn't seem to look very equal from where I'm sitting.
No No No you've got it all wrong.....maybe the ACCUSATION rate will decrease the less drunk women there are about??? also why are men named before even a conviction but the victim is not???....s#it sticks and even a accusation can and usually does end a relationship.....als o when it is proved a woman lied and made up the accusation she should get the same sentence as the accused would have got...............wo men want equal rights but it doesn't seem to look very equal from where I'm sitting. pun-jabi
  • Score: 3

11:47pm Wed 27 Aug 14

oafie says...

She voiced and opinion which may well be valid, at the same time, is it not an aggravating factor and more abusive for a man to take advantage of a woman intoxicated?
She voiced and opinion which may well be valid, at the same time, is it not an aggravating factor and more abusive for a man to take advantage of a woman intoxicated? oafie
  • Score: 1

11:57pm Wed 27 Aug 14

youth2000international says...

JUDGE MARY JANE MOWAT
Is a mother of the Nation Who care to check her fun chasing daughters
TRUE FACTS are bitter to sowallo by wrong full guilty victoms
BUT are extreemly benificial for the fame of power seeking organisers
those incourage thier supporters for to " CARRY ON LADIES " get drunk
and get rapped we are behind you and will come on the roads to prove
your innocense
JUDGE MARY JANE MOWAT Is a mother of the Nation Who care to check her fun chasing daughters TRUE FACTS are bitter to sowallo by wrong full guilty victoms BUT are extreemly benificial for the fame of power seeking organisers those incourage thier supporters for to " CARRY ON LADIES " get drunk and get rapped we are behind you and will come on the roads to prove your innocense youth2000international
  • Score: -4

6:44am Thu 28 Aug 14

Myron Blatz says...

This particular article certainly seems to have found several 'raw nerves' amongst readers - but the former Judge wasn't actually saying that she was against women's rights, nor that she was somehow 'pro-men' in what she said. As for jer comments about the length of custodial sentances, she is correct. Successive governments have tried getting early release to offset the growing pressure on existing prisons to cope, and a decrease in new prisons being built, and cut-backs in the public service sector. There is also the point that reducing sentances whilst being served makes a mockery of justice - something which readers of the Oxford Mail have also been saying for years - especially from the families and victims of crime, assault and anti-social behaviour.
This particular article certainly seems to have found several 'raw nerves' amongst readers - but the former Judge wasn't actually saying that she was against women's rights, nor that she was somehow 'pro-men' in what she said. As for jer comments about the length of custodial sentances, she is correct. Successive governments have tried getting early release to offset the growing pressure on existing prisons to cope, and a decrease in new prisons being built, and cut-backs in the public service sector. There is also the point that reducing sentances whilst being served makes a mockery of justice - something which readers of the Oxford Mail have also been saying for years - especially from the families and victims of crime, assault and anti-social behaviour. Myron Blatz
  • Score: 1

10:45am Thu 28 Aug 14

Lizzie Cornish says...

xenarthra wrote:
The Oxford Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre service manager's "outrage" is completely misplaced. Just has missed the point. The judge is not saying that the number of rapes would reduce if women drank less, but that the conviction rate would increase if victims were sober because they would then be able to provide more convincing testimony. It would of course be a good thing if men were to "stop raping", but this is quite irrelevant to the point the judge was making, which relates to the quality of evidence after a rape has occurred.
Excellent comment, but, could I just point out that many men may NOT be 'raping' in the first place, if the woman gave her consent. The trouble is, if she cannot remember doing this then all hell breaks loose the next day, or when she's sobered up. He too may have been drunk. It is common sense, to me, for everyone to start owning up to the fact we have a VERY serious drink problem in this country and a culture which has thrown away seemingly all the morals we once had. The Rape Charities will say that NO man should have sex with a drunken woman, but maybe that woman pushed herself upon a drunken man, happy to have that sex? The judge is absolutely correct in what she says, above..and we need to address this problem urgently in this country. We have become utterly out of control..and the way back is NOT to assume that ALL women tell the truth and ALL men are guilty, for this is horrific in every way. There are many instances where women have lied, owned up to that, or been found out, and sent to prison sometimes too. Even if she owns up, the false allegations will remain on the man's record for YEARS, if not for LIFE..and some men have taken their own lives, unable to cope with people assuming that really, they're guilty 'for a woman never lies about such a thing'. Actually, women DO and I'm really fed up now of the way it's become SO loaded against men in the most shocking way. TAKE RESPONSIBILTY for your actions, Women, and if you're so disgustingly drunk that you can't even remember what you did, well, time to Wake Up, because you are degrading yourself hugely....

Sadly, this is NEVER mentioned by any rape organizations in any way, for the outlook is that all women should be able to do whatever they want and they must never be raped....

In an ideal world, that might be true, but in the REAL world there will ALWAYS be *some* men who will take advantage and there will always be *some* women who may be all over those men willing them to have sex, offering themselves, blatantly.

I'm sick of 'out of control' and 'being able to behave however you want' you know. Let's get back to the old ways, of discretion and self-control and SELF-RESPECT, allowing women and men to feel that it's perfectly OK to NOT be out of control, instead of making them feel that to have morals and self-respect is somehow odd and frowned upon by today's hedonistic society......

We have totally lost the plot...and we need to take a good, long look at ourselves and start behaving with Dignity and Decorum once again..
[quote][p][bold]xenarthra[/bold] wrote: The Oxford Sexual Abuse and Rape Crisis Centre service manager's "outrage" is completely misplaced. Just has missed the point. The judge is not saying that the number of rapes would reduce if women drank less, but that the conviction rate would increase if victims were sober because they would then be able to provide more convincing testimony. It would of course be a good thing if men were to "stop raping", but this is quite irrelevant to the point the judge was making, which relates to the quality of evidence after a rape has occurred.[/p][/quote]Excellent comment, but, could I just point out that many men may NOT be 'raping' in the first place, if the woman gave her consent. The trouble is, if she cannot remember doing this then all hell breaks loose the next day, or when she's sobered up. He too may have been drunk. It is common sense, to me, for everyone to start owning up to the fact we have a VERY serious drink problem in this country and a culture which has thrown away seemingly all the morals we once had. The Rape Charities will say that NO man should have sex with a drunken woman, but maybe that woman pushed herself upon a drunken man, happy to have that sex? The judge is absolutely correct in what she says, above..and we need to address this problem urgently in this country. We have become utterly out of control..and the way back is NOT to assume that ALL women tell the truth and ALL men are guilty, for this is horrific in every way. There are many instances where women have lied, owned up to that, or been found out, and sent to prison sometimes too. Even if she owns up, the false allegations will remain on the man's record for YEARS, if not for LIFE..and some men have taken their own lives, unable to cope with people assuming that really, they're guilty 'for a woman never lies about such a thing'. Actually, women DO and I'm really fed up now of the way it's become SO loaded against men in the most shocking way. TAKE RESPONSIBILTY for your actions, Women, and if you're so disgustingly drunk that you can't even remember what you did, well, time to Wake Up, because you are degrading yourself hugely.... Sadly, this is NEVER mentioned by any rape organizations in any way, for the outlook is that all women should be able to do whatever they want and they must never be raped.... In an ideal world, that might be true, but in the REAL world there will ALWAYS be *some* men who will take advantage and there will always be *some* women who may be all over those men willing them to have sex, offering themselves, blatantly. I'm sick of 'out of control' and 'being able to behave however you want' you know. Let's get back to the old ways, of discretion and self-control and SELF-RESPECT, allowing women and men to feel that it's perfectly OK to NOT be out of control, instead of making them feel that to have morals and self-respect is somehow odd and frowned upon by today's hedonistic society...... We have totally lost the plot...and we need to take a good, long look at ourselves and start behaving with Dignity and Decorum once again.. Lizzie Cornish
  • Score: 6

11:09am Thu 28 Aug 14

14jayeff says...

Conviction rates won't rise till judges are made electable
Conviction rates won't rise till judges are made electable 14jayeff
  • Score: -6

6:05pm Thu 28 Aug 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

youth2000internation
al
wrote:
JUDGE MARY JANE MOWAT
Is a mother of the Nation Who care to check her fun chasing daughters
TRUE FACTS are bitter to sowallo by wrong full guilty victoms
BUT are extreemly benificial for the fame of power seeking organisers
those incourage thier supporters for to " CARRY ON LADIES " get drunk
and get rapped we are behind you and will come on the roads to prove
your innocense
I'm guessing English isn't your strong point?
[quote][p][bold]youth2000internation al[/bold] wrote: JUDGE MARY JANE MOWAT Is a mother of the Nation Who care to check her fun chasing daughters TRUE FACTS are bitter to sowallo by wrong full guilty victoms BUT are extreemly benificial for the fame of power seeking organisers those incourage thier supporters for to " CARRY ON LADIES " get drunk and get rapped we are behind you and will come on the roads to prove your innocense[/p][/quote]I'm guessing English isn't your strong point? Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 4

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