Approved - carriages plan on track

The Oxford Times: Horses set to trot round city Horses set to trot round city

A BID to run horse-drawn carriages around Oxford city centre has passed its first hurdle, despite objections from animal rights campaigners.

A remaining sticking point is how droppings will be collected.

Oxford City Council has agreed by-laws can be established which would allow horse-drawn sightseeing carriages to operate through the city for the first time in 70 years.

The council’s general purposes licensing committee last week agreed the idea in principle.

Horse-drawn carriages, popular with tourists in cities across the globe, have not operated on a significant scale in Oxford since before the Second World war.

The application was submitted by Kevin Merry Carriages, which has operated a horse carriage business in the area for more than 10 years.

Mr Merry, from Murcott, near Kidlington, plans to have a two-horse carriage which would take tourists on a 30-minute sightseeing tour from Broad Street taking in Parks Road, Longwall Street, Magdalen Bridge and High Street.

He said he was ‘thrilled’ the city council had consented.

He added: “We are very pleased. It is excellent news.”

Council officers will now draw up a number of by-laws, which could include setting out a route and where the stand for horses will be.

Business associate Niels Paige, assured animal welfare campaigners the horses would be treated with the utmost care and attention.

He added: “Kevin has worked with horses for more than 30 years and already donates part of his profits to a horse welfare charity.

“This is not a PR move, It is something he feels very strongly about.”

Wolvercote city councillor John Goddard said he was not opposed to the carriages, but was worried about how droppings would be dealt with.

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A petition organised by animal rights group Peta (The People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals) drew 700 signatures opposing the plan.

It will now go before a full council meeting in December for final approval.

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7:33pm Mon 24 Oct 11

custardsnatcher says...

What an absolutely stupid idea, more traffic hold ups around the fit to burst City Centre! Who dreams these stupid idea's up, oh & its another burden for the council tax, after all the cuts we'll have a poop scooper following a horse all day for when it feels the needs to relieve itself on the road!! Stupidity is as Oxford Councils does!
What an absolutely stupid idea, more traffic hold ups around the fit to burst City Centre! Who dreams these stupid idea's up, oh & its another burden for the council tax, after all the cuts we'll have a poop scooper following a horse all day for when it feels the needs to relieve itself on the road!! Stupidity is as Oxford Councils does! custardsnatcher
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7:55pm Mon 24 Oct 11

Phian says...

Great idea, a very pleasant addition to the tourist attractions.
No doubt the Council will make money from licence/permit fees as they do with motor taxis.
Great idea, a very pleasant addition to the tourist attractions. No doubt the Council will make money from licence/permit fees as they do with motor taxis. Phian
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9:11pm Mon 24 Oct 11

faatmaan says...

how quaint a transport system fit for the eighteenth century, who will yield when a taxi, a bus and a horse and cart meet at a junction, and those jolly decent folk from the suburbs can come in and pick up the byproduct of the horses for free, oh well back to the Alms house at St Aldates, master is waiting for his tea !
how quaint a transport system fit for the eighteenth century, who will yield when a taxi, a bus and a horse and cart meet at a junction, and those jolly decent folk from the suburbs can come in and pick up the byproduct of the horses for free, oh well back to the Alms house at St Aldates, master is waiting for his tea ! faatmaan
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9:49pm Mon 24 Oct 11

CowleyBoy says...

town is gonna smell reeeal nice...
town is gonna smell reeeal nice... CowleyBoy
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9:54pm Mon 24 Oct 11

museli says...

What a stupid idea - Broad Street is already a mess of tourist buses, people wandering about in the middle of the road not looking, cars circling looking for parking and cyclists riding up the wrong side no hands while playing with their phones. Longwall is one long tailback and if there was any spare space on High Street then surely it should be given over to the poor pedestrians who have to put up with much too narrow pavements for the volume of foot traffic. Deal with the existing problems before allowing new ones Oxford City Council!
What a stupid idea - Broad Street is already a mess of tourist buses, people wandering about in the middle of the road not looking, cars circling looking for parking and cyclists riding up the wrong side no hands while playing with their phones. Longwall is one long tailback and if there was any spare space on High Street then surely it should be given over to the poor pedestrians who have to put up with much too narrow pavements for the volume of foot traffic. Deal with the existing problems before allowing new ones Oxford City Council! museli
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7:51am Tue 25 Oct 11

livid99 says...

Excellent idea - Cowley Road is the place to do this. At the moment, the only things motorists have to deal with there is moron cyclists, lorry drivers who cannot park, 1000 buses per hour all going to the same place, bus stops every 10 metres, a shaped road designed to slow down motorists (as if it was even possible to do more than 2 miles per hour), drunks, chavs, pedestrian crossings and pedestrians who don't know how to use crossings. There are not enough hazards in Cowley Road to really test a motorist - what we really need is horse drawn carriages and piles of horse sh*t everywhere.
If this idea has been agreed, I would really like to meet the responsible person at the council and shake his hand - there are not many people who can make such a spectacular decision.
Excellent idea - Cowley Road is the place to do this. At the moment, the only things motorists have to deal with there is moron cyclists, lorry drivers who cannot park, 1000 buses per hour all going to the same place, bus stops every 10 metres, a shaped road designed to slow down motorists (as if it was even possible to do more than 2 miles per hour), drunks, chavs, pedestrian crossings and pedestrians who don't know how to use crossings. There are not enough hazards in Cowley Road to really test a motorist - what we really need is horse drawn carriages and piles of horse sh*t everywhere. If this idea has been agreed, I would really like to meet the responsible person at the council and shake his hand - there are not many people who can make such a spectacular decision. livid99
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10:57am Tue 25 Oct 11

Andrew:Oxford says...

Is it safe to ring a bicyle bell to warn a pedestrian when undertaking a horse?
Is it safe to ring a bicyle bell to warn a pedestrian when undertaking a horse? Andrew:Oxford
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11:38am Tue 25 Oct 11

son says...

With these sort of carriages, they normally use a sort of 'poo hammock' to catch it before it hits the ground. Just hope the poor things don't die of carbon monoxide poisoning
With these sort of carriages, they normally use a sort of 'poo hammock' to catch it before it hits the ground. Just hope the poor things don't die of carbon monoxide poisoning son
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12:42pm Tue 25 Oct 11

Wanchai says...

I hope this scheme goes hand in hand with moving some of the polluting buses out of the centre. The air is filthy.
I hope this scheme goes hand in hand with moving some of the polluting buses out of the centre. The air is filthy. Wanchai
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12:54pm Tue 25 Oct 11

JTOxford says...

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let's not go back to the dark ages...what next, donkey rides down the high street??

Society needs to move on and recognise that this is a stupid idea borne out of a dewy-eyed view of the past (I guess they could get the poor people to dress up and doff their caps as the visitors go by??)
http://www.dailymail .co.uk/news/article- 2052984/Healthy-hors es-drop-dead-The-sho cking-moment-Central -Park-carriage-horse -COLLAPSED-street.ht ml let's not go back to the dark ages...what next, donkey rides down the high street?? Society needs to move on and recognise that this is a stupid idea borne out of a dewy-eyed view of the past (I guess they could get the poor people to dress up and doff their caps as the visitors go by??) JTOxford
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5:59am Wed 26 Oct 11

brianbbleys says...

went to Gt Yarmouth recently where they have the horse drawn carriages. the stench of horse pee filled the air, still another smell for us to enjoy
went to Gt Yarmouth recently where they have the horse drawn carriages. the stench of horse pee filled the air, still another smell for us to enjoy brianbbleys
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12:49pm Wed 26 Oct 11

T1982 says...

i take it that none of you that have commented actually like horses. I would love for this to happen and as long as they are trained properly then a car, bus etc wont be able to scare them so that they cause injurys or accidents. Why is everyone so quick to moan about everything and anything that happens in this country? have some fun for once
i take it that none of you that have commented actually like horses. I would love for this to happen and as long as they are trained properly then a car, bus etc wont be able to scare them so that they cause injurys or accidents. Why is everyone so quick to moan about everything and anything that happens in this country? have some fun for once T1982
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1:00pm Wed 26 Oct 11

museli says...

T1982 wrote:
i take it that none of you that have commented actually like horses. I would love for this to happen and as long as they are trained properly then a car, bus etc wont be able to scare them so that they cause injurys or accidents. Why is everyone so quick to moan about everything and anything that happens in this country? have some fun for once
I like horses which is part of the reason I don't want to see them exploited in this way. Horses are instinctively prey animals and understandably get nervous when fast moving things enter into their peripheral vision. It's very hard to train them not to panic in these situations which is why I'm always careful to warn when cycling past in the countryside. In cities they get round the problem by blinkering most of their vision - so you get to see the horse while he effectively gets tunnel vision. Fun for you maybe!!
[quote][p][bold]T1982[/bold] wrote: i take it that none of you that have commented actually like horses. I would love for this to happen and as long as they are trained properly then a car, bus etc wont be able to scare them so that they cause injurys or accidents. Why is everyone so quick to moan about everything and anything that happens in this country? have some fun for once[/p][/quote]I like horses which is part of the reason I don't want to see them exploited in this way. Horses are instinctively prey animals and understandably get nervous when fast moving things enter into their peripheral vision. It's very hard to train them not to panic in these situations which is why I'm always careful to warn when cycling past in the countryside. In cities they get round the problem by blinkering most of their vision - so you get to see the horse while he effectively gets tunnel vision. Fun for you maybe!! museli
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10:58pm Wed 26 Oct 11

son says...

T1982 wrote:
i take it that none of you that have commented actually like horses. I would love for this to happen and as long as they are trained properly then a car, bus etc wont be able to scare them so that they cause injurys or accidents. Why is everyone so quick to moan about everything and anything that happens in this country? have some fun for once
I like horses, and I'm not moaning...
[quote][p][bold]T1982[/bold] wrote: i take it that none of you that have commented actually like horses. I would love for this to happen and as long as they are trained properly then a car, bus etc wont be able to scare them so that they cause injurys or accidents. Why is everyone so quick to moan about everything and anything that happens in this country? have some fun for once[/p][/quote]I like horses, and I'm not moaning... son
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3:53pm Fri 28 Oct 11

oxfordwend says...

What a madness! Especially after Oxford has been highlighted as one of the most congested city centres in the UK. This will slow all traffic - cyclists as well as motor vehicles. How can it possibly be allowed?
What a madness! Especially after Oxford has been highlighted as one of the most congested city centres in the UK. This will slow all traffic - cyclists as well as motor vehicles. How can it possibly be allowed? oxfordwend
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4:25pm Fri 28 Oct 11

BenkiuGuasu says...

It's a great idea. Oxford would be much nicer to go through by horse carriage than by bus.... The touriste will be love it no doubt.....

All this about what to do with poop and such....Police horse operate in much greater numbers and leave their poops on the street....give it a day and it dries out with no lasting damage to civilians or city..... Anal preocupations I tell ya.....
It's a great idea. Oxford would be much nicer to go through by horse carriage than by bus.... The touriste will be love it no doubt..... All this about what to do with poop and such....Police horse operate in much greater numbers and leave their poops on the street....give it a day and it dries out with no lasting damage to civilians or city..... Anal preocupations I tell ya..... BenkiuGuasu
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8:02pm Fri 28 Oct 11

LORD PETER M'CVEY says...

What great fun to toot your horn when behind or rev all the exhaust fumes out the back when in front, it will add a bit of fun to the daily traffic jams. But to be honest who will want to pay £50+ to sit in a traffic jam to look at the outside of buildings?
What great fun to toot your horn when behind or rev all the exhaust fumes out the back when in front, it will add a bit of fun to the daily traffic jams. But to be honest who will want to pay £50+ to sit in a traffic jam to look at the outside of buildings? LORD PETER M'CVEY
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10:51pm Fri 28 Oct 11

BenkiuGuasu says...

Japanese tourists for a start....
Japanese tourists for a start.... BenkiuGuasu
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