'I can prove it was not Titanic that sank' (From The Oxford Times)
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'I can prove it was not Titanic that sank'
12:30pm Saturday 14th April 2012 in News
By Debbie Waite, Features writer
Robin Gardiner with a copy of his book
AS THE world tomorrow marks the centenary of the sinking of Titanic, Oxford author Robin Gardiner has released a new book that he says proves it is a sister ship that sits at the bottom of the North Atlantic.
The biggest ship of its kind, Titanic was billed ‘unsinkable’ by its owners White Star Line. But on April 15, 1912, it hit an iceberg and sank in the icy waters of the North Atlantic, with the loss of 1,517 lives However, according to Mr Gardiner, 64, the ship that sank was not Titanic at all – it was Olympic, her sister ship, in what was planned as one of the world’s greatest insurance frauds.
Mr Gardiner, 64, a plasterer and father-of-one from Barton, said: “My new book, The Great Titanic Conspiracy, has new, conclusive photographic and documentary evidence of the swap of Olympic and Titanic.
“This was collusion, conspiracy and cover-up on an unprecedented scale.
“The evidence is overwhelming; eyewitnesses themselves describe running along Titanic’s decks, but where they said there were promenades, there should have been cabins.
“And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic.
'This was collusion, conspiracy and cover-up on an unprecedented scale'
Robin Gardiner
“You only have to look at the ships’ specifications to see the ‘Titanic’ passengers were actually aboard Olympic.”
According to Mr Gardiner, the ‘real’ story starts with financier J P Morgan’s takeover of White Star and the Royal Navy’s investment in the company’s new liners as potential troop carriers.
He said: “Following the Agadir crisis in 1911, Morgan began to ship gold and other treasures back to the safe haven of the US.
“There was also pressure on White Star to make up the cost of the damage to Olympic, which had been damaged in a collision with HMS Hawke, but which the insurance company would not cover.
“Swapping the identities of Olympic and Titanic was also the opportunity for Morgan, with the collusion of the British government, to quietly ship £8m of gold to the US.
“But unbeknown to the government, the gold was spirited away.
“To the present day, the most common maritime insurance fraud involves changing identities of ships.
“But tragically the planned staging of the sinking of Titanic, whereby other ships from the company would be on hand to rescue all the passengers and crew, went disastrously wrong and more than 1,500 souls perished.”
Mr Gardiner even refutes that the ship hit an iceberg; “The passengers described feeling a ‘shudder’. But if that size ship, travelling at that speed had hit an iceberg of that size, the noise would have been huge and the impact would have hit everyone off their feet,” he said.
“I think White Star planned a small collision of some sort and then a straightforward ‘rescue’ of the passengers by ships waiting nearby. Unfortunately, the ship was steered hard left, instead of right and turned away from the rescue ships.
“It may also have hit a wreck or another ship. And most of the passengers didn’t stand a chance.”
Asked how people react to his views on Titanic, Mr Gardiner said: “I give regular talks and most people are fascinated, especially engineers who know how ships work.
“But this isn’t hidden information I am unearthing.
“You only have to read the inquiry notes – see how many people’s testimony was strangely ‘stopped’ and look at all the official paperwork – to see the ships were swapped.”
Mr Gardiner said the real Titanic sailed on as Olympic for the rest of her career, before being sent to the breaker’s yard in 1937.
He said: “I think all this celebration of the Titanic is a bit sick. I don’t think White Star planned to kill all those people.
“But they did die and Olympic should be left in peace, a the bottom of the North Atlantic as a grave.
“I am now working on an American-made documentary, which will completely lift the lid on what happened with Titanic, once and for all.
“I will prove the ships were swapped and this terrible accident was completely avoidable.”
- The Great Titanic Conspiracy by Robin Gardiner is published by Ian Allan, priced £19.99.
- See today's print edition of the Oxford Mail for a special eight-page supplement about the Titanic.
Comments(35)
Ceasar
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3:37pm Sat 14 Apr 12
rfr
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5:18pm Sat 14 Apr 12
Contrary evidence, even if abundant, is ignored if it does not support the
author’s agenda. These issues, taken together, damage the author’s credibility to the point that it is difficult to take his radical theories seriously.’
(Michael Tennaro, cited by Mark Chirnside, "Olympic & Titanic - An Analysis of the Robin Gardiner Conspiracy Theory" (2006), p. 26, http://www.markchirn
side.co.uk/pdfs/Cons
piracy_Dissertation.
pdf)
Maggs3petts
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10:08pm Sat 14 Apr 12
Tiger1ily
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10:50pm Sat 14 Apr 12
Dilligaf2010
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11:47pm Sat 14 Apr 12
.......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.
L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG
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2:45am Sun 15 Apr 12
Dilligaf2010 wrote:On the Olympic they were, don't forget you are only going by photos and what you see in the movies, and if it was olympic then that would be right. What we need to see is a picture of the titanic in the 20s operating as the Olympic to see if there were lifeboats above B deck or not. I remember hearing this theory years and years ago. But where and when did the switch take place?
"And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."......
.......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.
Dilligaf2010
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7:26am Sun 15 Apr 12
L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:There were lifeboats above B deck on both :)
Dilligaf2010 wrote:On the Olympic they were, don't forget you are only going by photos and what you see in the movies, and if it was olympic then that would be right. What we need to see is a picture of the titanic in the 20s operating as the Olympic to see if there were lifeboats above B deck or not. I remember hearing this theory years and years ago. But where and when did the switch take place?
"And while survivors on B Deck described seeing lifeboats being lowered from above, there’s no way they would have seen that on Titanic – only on the ship Olympic."......
.......Well this is incorrect for a start, the bow lifeboats were definitely above B deck.
SNJ
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8:29am Sun 15 Apr 12
His last book on "The Riddle of the Titanic", co-authored by Dan Van der Vat (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1995), received huge critical acclaim. Beryl Bainbridge in the Evening Standard wrote: "Impeccably researched and brilliantly argued", and A.N. Ryan in the TLS wrote " intellectually satisfying study".
I am nothing to do with Robin Gardiner, except that he did some plastering for me once (and there are no cracks there either). I think it is fantastic to have such a good news story from Barton.
SNJ
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8:43am Sun 15 Apr 12
I don't necessarily agree with Gardiner's thesis, but there are certainly holes in the generally accepted Titanic story.
Dilligaf2010
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10:20am Sun 15 Apr 12
.....No, but there again, I've not read the Bible either, and I know that's nonsense..
Feelingsmatter
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1:14pm Sun 15 Apr 12
Impeccable? I think not. Details such as describing David Lloyd George as Prime Minister at or about 1907 are incorrect. DLG was a Cabinet Minister at that time and did not become Prime Minister until 1916. (Yes, I researched the book)
Additionally, this is not a new book, he's simply cashing in on the media attention. It was published in 2010.
So what do i do to get some free advertising for my latest project? Take the editor to lunch?
SNJ
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4:00pm Sun 15 Apr 12
I still think that people should read books before judging them, however. You obviously have, and I respect your comments.
L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG
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4:28pm Sun 15 Apr 12
Dilligaf2010
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5:53pm Sun 15 Apr 12
L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:And I saw Lord Lucan riding Shergar, alongside Ernie & Trigger delivering milk :)
Well seeing as they faked the first moon landing quite successfully, I don't see that sinking a different would be that big a problem. P.S. I saw Elvis and John Lennon having a jam session earlier in The Dewdrop.
Darkforbid
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6:18pm Sun 15 Apr 12
dg42gb
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6:22pm Sun 15 Apr 12
xjohnx
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7:38am Mon 16 Apr 12
stokeymad
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9:45am Mon 16 Apr 12
He does not go on to say how they stashed Titanic at Area 51 instead of destroying it, and how it was used for the first moon landing, before going on to having a successful career as a Soviet spy, and actually participating in the assasination of JFK.
Maybe he is saving that for the follow up books though. Clever little author you.
profgeof2000
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11:34am Mon 16 Apr 12
Good timing to sell book - aniversary of disaster (or a disaster!). And not too many people still alive to refute anything!
Severian
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1:10pm Mon 16 Apr 12
Dilligaf2010
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2:37pm Mon 16 Apr 12
gymrat34
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11:28pm Mon 16 Apr 12
mandate
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12:00pm Tue 17 Apr 12
Did you know that the chief designer of the Titanic had a lisp. When the owners asked him if the ship could possibly sink, the chief designer replied 'it is unthinkable.'
Dilligaf2010
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12:18pm Tue 17 Apr 12
mandate wrote:LOL, but surely you meant it ith unthinkable ;)
A fact not mentioned in any book.
Did you know that the chief designer of the Titanic had a lisp. When the owners asked him if the ship could possibly sink, the chief designer replied 'it is unthinkable.'
Pottermouth
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12:21pm Tue 17 Apr 12
Mike Billson
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3:19am Wed 18 Apr 12
No he doesn't, Ms Waite; he merely claims that it didn't. Please look up 'refute' in a dictionary.
Brenda Jackson
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9:04am Wed 18 Apr 12
SNJ
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9:54am Wed 18 Apr 12
oafie
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10:41am Wed 18 Apr 12
Perhaps it hit the nail on the head too squarely!
The sister ship had in fact been damaged and the Insurers did not wish to pay up-
After 'The Titanic' sunk the damaged sister ship went on to sail safely for many years.
OxfordDon
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3:25pm Wed 18 Apr 12
Feelingsmatter
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3:31pm Wed 18 Apr 12
3:19am Wed 18 Apr 12
"Mr Gardiner even refutes that the ship hit an iceberg..."
No he doesn't, Ms Waite; he merely claims that it didn't. Please look up 'refute' in a dictionary." Mike Billson.
No,Mike, he refutes it. That's what the whole book's about. To refute something is to prove wrong by argument or evidence. Surely that's the same as claiming it didn't hit an iceberg. Perhaps you should brush up on your thesaurus.
Dilligaf2010
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4:06pm Wed 18 Apr 12
......bit late, apparently one was released on DVD on 23rd March, claiming the same.
WestOxonMonkey
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5:24pm Wed 18 Apr 12
ox-cabby
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7:10pm Fri 20 Apr 12
Our elected governments kill that amount of people on a daily basis!
But start counting from 2001 onwards and you'll know what i'm talking about.
A multi million pound jet, dropping a bomb worth thousands of pounds, on a mud hut or a tent!
Dilligaf2010 says...
1:51pm Sat 14 Apr 12