Occupy protest starts at Oxford Brookes over student fees (From The Oxford Times)

Fantastic. I wish the occupation well!

Is there a site or a twitterfeed for this occupation so that locals who want to support them can?

Hope their tents are waterproof.

obviously not bothered about actually learning then! if they have time for this, then the courses must be too long, with too much free time. you pay your fees to get a good education, not loiter about on campus protesting.

someguyfromhereandth
ere wrote:
Fantastic. I wish the occupation well!

Is there a site or a twitterfeed for this occupation so that locals who want to support them can?

official hashtag appears to be #occupybrookes

Hi.

Thanks for the support. You can keep in the loop by befriending 'Occupy Brookes' on facebook, emailing us at occupybrookes@gmail.
com or going on our blog at http://occupybrookes
.wordpress.com/ . We will try to get a twitter sorted soon.

We are all very committed to our studies (and luckily the library is just a stone's throw away). This is not a boycott of lectures. It is going to be hard to juggle, no denying, but we feel it is 100% necessary to stick up for the future of education in this country.

Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

Good luck! Have just sent you a friend request on Facebook - and posted a link to your page!

I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

A serious question!

Just who is supposed to care about this protest?

Or be influenced by it?

Bless.

You can tell they're Brookes students, they've brought their gazebo with them.

Why does everyone think they are entitled to something for nothing these days?

They're getting a world class education and the potential to be earning extremely good money in the future at minimal cost to themselves. Surely they'd be better employed cramming for their finals which are coming up soon.

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

On my planet the country is nearly broke!

What planet do you live on?

xJohnx maybe a university education would have helped you realise our country is not broke, at least, not in the way the media and government will have you believe. Before you comment on something understand what is behind it.

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Spot on post Dilly 'my friend'. I believe you are absolutely correct regarding the repayments. Do know anything about bursaries etc as I think these can reduce the amount borrowed. Any ideas?

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
Hope their tents are waterproof.

Shame that Scottish students dont get charged tuition fees (in a Scottish Uni)..yet another inequality within the UK..prescription charges etc!!
Good Luck to the protesters (but, like Dilligaf, I hope their tents are waterproof).
BTW: I am helping to fund my daughter at Uni for a 4 yr ACADEMIC degree and I don't earn a huge salary!

A34North wrote:

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Spot on post Dilly 'my friend'. I believe you are absolutely correct regarding the repayments. Do know anything about bursaries etc as I think these can reduce the amount borrowed. Any ideas?

I can tell you! Alongside the tuition fee loan their is also a "maintainence" loan..to allow the student to be able to pay for accom/food etc.
I have worked for nearly 35 yrs as an NHS professional clinician (AHP)....as a single/divorced parent with another child of school age the bursary/grant was laughable ..please believe me here!!
If I had been a "non contributer" to the UK tax system I sadly think that things would be much different!!

Good for them! May their numbers grow. Several "rebrandings" ago, Brookes' symbol was an acorn.......

Inn0cence wrote:
xJohnx maybe a university education would have helped you realise our country is not broke, at least, not in the way the media and government will have you believe. Before you comment on something understand what is behind it.

What planet?

Inn0cence wrote:
xJohnx maybe a university education would have helped you realise our country is not broke, at least, not in the way the media and government will have you believe. Before you comment on something understand what is behind it.

I paid my way, in the seventies, by working. No grant.

I don't want my taxes to pay for you.

I want my taxes used for hospitals, doctors, roads, housing, etc.

cuckoo wrote:

A34North wrote:

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Spot on post Dilly 'my friend'. I believe you are absolutely correct regarding the repayments. Do know anything about bursaries etc as I think these can reduce the amount borrowed. Any ideas?

I can tell you! Alongside the tuition fee loan their is also a "maintainence" loan..to allow the student to be able to pay for accom/food etc.
I have worked for nearly 35 yrs as an NHS professional clinician (AHP)....as a single/divorced parent with another child of school age the bursary/grant was laughable ..please believe me here!!
If I had been a "non contributer" to the UK tax system I sadly think that things would be much different!!

Thank you Cukoo. I was hoping that old Dilly might have a little info regarding this as he has stated he was a Youth Worker and therefore would have good experience in this area. Unfortunately, it appears he has disappeared. Mmmmmmm!!!!

A34North,
I was a Youth Worker 30 years ago, why would I have any knowledge of bursaries for University Education?

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Tell us, who is going to give you a mortgage when so heavily in debt?

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

Use your head son. Someone working in Tesco won't be much help to you when you need medical attention.

In 20 years time the UK will be a third world country and we will all be living in tents. Unless there is a serious rethink in how we educate the youngsters of Great Britain and the restrictions to education that we impose.

xjohnx wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

On my planet the country is nearly broke!

What planet do you live on?

I live on one that clearly has a better economic grasp than yours.

xjohnx wrote:

Inn0cence wrote:
xJohnx maybe a university education would have helped you realise our country is not broke, at least, not in the way the media and government will have you believe. Before you comment on something understand what is behind it.

I paid my way, in the seventies, by working. No grant.

I don't want my taxes to pay for you.

I want my taxes used for hospitals, doctors, roads, housing, etc.

Don't you think he uses all those services?

Don't you think we also pay for you to use them as well?

DoctorBob wrote:

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Tell us, who is going to give you a mortgage when so heavily in debt?

I'm sure many mortgage providers would be happy to help, it's not always the amount owed that's considered, but the disposable income, even £292 a month on a £60000 p.a. income, is going to leave over £3000 to play with after Tax & N.I.

Firstly let me commend the students for standing up for what they believe especially in this awful weather!
But I must say I 100% disagree with them, the £9k fees are in many ways a better system for students as you don't start to pay back anything until you earn over £21k which is much better than the current level of £15k. Numerous studies have looked into how many people will ever pay back the full tuition fee in 25 years and very few will (based on average life salaries.)
Furthermore I would add that nobody is going to be knocking on your door the day after you graduate demanding payment of the loan!
The students second point is regarding bursaries and fee waivers, basically bursaries are free amounts of money given to a student to help cover costs ON TOP of what a student can get through the student maintenance grant, the Brookes bursary for 2012/13 is £2000 a year for all students paying £9k and whose income is below £30k.
Fee waivers are amounts of money taken off or wavered from the yearly tuition fee and this is available to all students with incomes of less than £40k.
Both are designed to allow students from poorer backgrounds into education which can only be a good thing.
This protest may be good news for a while but Brookes cannot change government policy or the economic climate we exist in.
Good luck to those misguided students and I hope you stay warm and comfortable

Black Bird from the Leys wrote:
In 20 years time the UK will be a third world country and we will all be living in tents. Unless there is a serious rethink in how we educate the youngsters of Great Britain and the restrictions to education that we impose.

We've actually absorbed a third world country under Tone but I agree we need to rethink seriously about "graduates" who can barely spell.And yes, the restrictions are absurd, social engineering : we need a full return to unrestricted education i.e. grammar schools. But I've a vague idea that's not what you meant.

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
A34North,
I was a Youth Worker 30 years ago, why would I have any knowledge of bursaries for University Education?

Woah Dilly. As you had knowledge about the repayment of fees I thought you would also have the same information regarding Bursaries etc. Tell me Dilly old boy, when you became a Youth Worker did you not study to obtain your qualifications, if so what was the financial implication in those days?

The students second point is regarding bursaries and fee waivers, basically bursaries are free amounts of money given to a student to help cover costs ON TOP of what a student can get through the student maintenance grant, the Brookes bursary for 2012/13 is £2000 a year for all students paying £9k and whose income is below £30k.
Fee waivers are amounts of money taken off or wavered from the yearly tuition fee and this is available to all students with incomes of less than £40k.

Surely you mean maintainence LOAN here (which also will have to be repaid)...and the figure of "free" GRANT is based upon the PARENTS salary not the students as I doubt many of them would be earning more than £2,000 /yr as 6th formers!!!
I can't comment on the sum that OBU students generally get as the "free" grant but I do know that I have to heavily subsidise my student daughter's essential living expenses...and I earn less than £40k

Dilligaf2010 wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Tell us, who is going to give you a mortgage when so heavily in debt?

I'm sure many mortgage providers would be happy to help, it's not always the amount owed that's considered, but the disposable income, even £292 a month on a £60000 p.a. income, is going to leave over £3000 to play with after Tax & N.I.

You're sure they would be happy to help eh? Well that blows my argument straight out of the water.

p.s. have mortgage providers gone back to 100% loans behind my back?

We have a simple choice. We pay for most or all of the cost of a student studying at University, by making getting to university more difficult and limit courses to those that have a distinct advatage to the country and its economy, or we keep it as it is, charge up to £9k per year (on repayments that don't cripple you) and give young people the choice as to whether a university education is going to be worth the investment.

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

Use your head son. Someone working in Tesco won't be much help to you when you need medical attention.

Salaried GPs employed directly by PCTs earn between £53,781 to £81,158, dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.

Worth a loan to get through University I'd have thought.

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

Use your head son. Someone working in Tesco won't be much help to you when you need medical attention.

No they won't. But I do not want to pay for my doctor twice, not when he/she starts on 100k plus. Now pay GPs £25k a year and scrap the outdated 9-5 surgeries (as most people have to lose pay to visit in these hours) then maybe I will be happy to pay for their education. By the way Dr BOB I want to be a computer games programmer (better money than I make now) will you pay for my course? If so email your payment details to petersjunkbox@hotmai
l.co.uk and I will enroll tomorrow. P.S. I will give you a free copy of my first game.

Phian wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

Use your head son. Someone working in Tesco won't be much help to you when you need medical attention.

Salaried GPs employed directly by PCTs earn between £53,781 to £81,158, dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.

Worth a loan to get through University I'd have thought.

Definately mate, my local ones make 100k+ but then they have a high amount of private form signing at between £50-100+ a pop

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

Use your head son. Someone working in Tesco won't be much help to you when you need medical attention.

No they won't. But I do not want to pay for my doctor twice, not when he/she starts on 100k plus. Now pay GPs £25k a year and scrap the outdated 9-5 surgeries (as most people have to lose pay to visit in these hours) then maybe I will be happy to pay for their education. By the way Dr BOB I want to be a computer games programmer (better money than I make now) will you pay for my course? If so email your payment details to petersjunkbox@hotmai

l.co.uk and I will enroll tomorrow. P.S. I will give you a free copy of my first game.

God you spout some rubbish. You do not lose pay to attend the Doctors.
Your personal contribution to the training of GP's is in the realms of 0.001p which doesn't make your 'paying for them twice' assertion look so strong.

Peter, if you ever really do decide to get an education I am more than happy that the state invest in it to help you on your way. However, I am not so keen on your idea that we shouldn't be up-skilling our citizens for the benefit of the country.

I'm not really sure though how producing games really contributes to the social fabric of the country?

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

Use your head son. Someone working in Tesco won't be much help to you when you need medical attention.

No they won't. But I do not want to pay for my doctor twice, not when he/she starts on 100k plus. Now pay GPs £25k a year and scrap the outdated 9-5 surgeries (as most people have to lose pay to visit in these hours) then maybe I will be happy to pay for their education. By the way Dr BOB I want to be a computer games programmer (better money than I make now) will you pay for my course? If so email your payment details to petersjunkbox@hotmai


l.co.uk and I will enroll tomorrow. P.S. I will give you a free copy of my first game.

God you spout some rubbish. You do not lose pay to attend the Doctors.
Your personal contribution to the training of GP's is in the realms of 0.001p which doesn't make your 'paying for them twice' assertion look so strong.

Peter, if you ever really do decide to get an education I am more than happy that the state invest in it to help you on your way. However, I am not so keen on your idea that we shouldn't be up-skilling our citizens for the benefit of the country.

I'm not really sure though how producing games really contributes to the social fabric of the country?

Actually I DO lose money when I visit the GP as it means that I cannot see clients, unless you think that turning Jericho Health Centre into my private office is acceptable. P.S. The government see the value in games, just check the recent budget. P.P.S. Tried Aziz tonight for the first time tonight, (try to avoid the award winning places) and not a patch on The Standard or The Exeter.

You're right Peter, Jericho Health Centre wouldn't want to return to the days when Walton St was full of knocking shops again. Best keep your clients well away.

I think we have all just witnessed the true nature of your being.

You two are twisting his words to suit your agenda.

He is suggesting that rape occurs less in area's where prostitution has been stamped out. I can't imagine that's true though, i'd like to see some stats.

*hasn't

Why can't anyone on these comments feeds just have a sensible debate in stead of mud slinging?

Abingdon_born_Cowley wrote:
Why can't anyone on these comments feeds just have a sensible debate in stead of mud slinging?

Because in their tiny minds they're always right and have a distinct inability to absorb criticism of any level.
Sadly, for all their knowledge, they don't half turn these message boards into flame wars, from time to time.

I'm glad that students at Brookes are getting involved in political issues. I imagine few of them will want to vote Libdem again after the broken promises on tuition fees. Leaving university with debts of £50,000 is an appalling prospect but the question is, where is more money going to come from? Students should start to ask why we can afford to give £BILLIONs to bail out the euro-zone yet are cutting in all directions here.
XJohnx says he wants tax money to be spent on doctors, hospitals, roads etc - where does he expect the doctors and engineers to train without any universities? It is absolute rubbish to claim that GPs start on 100k. And by the way, people in universities invented the computer and the internet!
The current president of Brookes Students Union has endorsed the campaign of a UKIP candidate in St Clements, Ian Macdonald.
See https://www.facebook
.com/UKIPOxford

AlexF wrote:

Abingdon_born_Cowley wrote: Why can't anyone on these comments feeds just have a sensible debate in stead of mud slinging?

Because in their tiny minds they're always right and have a distinct inability to absorb criticism of any level. Sadly, for all their knowledge, they don't half turn these message boards into flame wars, from time to time.

SHUT UP! YOU'RE AN IDIOT! I KNOW MORE THAN YOU! GO AWAY OR EVEN BETTER, RESPOND TO VALIDATE MY EXISTENCE!

etc etc

;)

DoctorBob wrote:

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
I'm not sure how many people are aware of the facts regarding the £9000 a year fees.
Repayments start 4 years after studying starts, and then at the rate of 9% of any income over £21000 p.a..
For example, if a student ends up earning £21000 p.a., they pay nothing back, if earning £25000, they pay back 9% of the £4000 p.a., £360 or £30 a month, even at £60000 p.a., the repayments are only £292 a month.
I don't really think it's a bad thing to have to pay towards an excellent education, if at the end of the day you're earnings have the possibility of being well in excess of the average.
No doubt I'll get loads of abuse because of my opinion, but as I said, some people aren't aware of the facts regarding repayments, and may be showing their support in error.

Tell us, who is going to give you a mortgage when so heavily in debt?

well 'Doctor Bob' many actually. If you study a 'proper' degree eg law, medicine etc then many mortgage companies (Chelsea for example) will bend the rules based around your future potential earnings. I got a mortgage 2 years ago at a rate of 3.8% if I'd been a doctor I would've been entitled to 3.3% with a 10% deposit, with a 20% deposit it was around 2.6%

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

DoctorBob wrote:

L0RD PETER McVEY OX2 6EG wrote:

Mick E wrote:
Fair Play. Show this pompous disgrace of a government what we think of them. £9k per annum with the job market the way it is today is not only a false economy in the short and long term, but completely immoral as well as socially and politically wrong on every level. That's what happens if you put people in charge who never have and never will live in the real world that the other 99.9% of us occupy.

It is up to them if they want an education beyond that of the majority, 9k a year to qualify as a doctor on 100k + is chickens feed. But if they don't want to pay, then Tesco have just announced a few thousand new jobs to be created. But at least the one good thing is that they are playing their little games on their own land and not costing us to remove them from ours.

Use your head son. Someone working in Tesco won't be much help to you when you need medical attention.

No they won't. But I do not want to pay for my doctor twice, not when he/she starts on 100k plus. Now pay GPs £25k a year and scrap the outdated 9-5 surgeries (as most people have to lose pay to visit in these hours) then maybe I will be happy to pay for their education. By the way Dr BOB I want to be a computer games programmer (better money than I make now) will you pay for my course? If so email your payment details to petersjunkbox@hotmai



l.co.uk and I will enroll tomorrow. P.S. I will give you a free copy of my first game.

God you spout some rubbish. You do not lose pay to attend the Doctors.
Your personal contribution to the training of GP's is in the realms of 0.001p which doesn't make your 'paying for them twice' assertion look so strong.

Peter, if you ever really do decide to get an education I am more than happy that the state invest in it to help you on your way. However, I am not so keen on your idea that we shouldn't be up-skilling our citizens for the benefit of the country.

I'm not really sure though how producing games really contributes to the social fabric of the country?

Actually I DO lose money when I visit the GP as it means that I cannot see clients, unless you think that turning Jericho Health Centre into my private office is acceptable. P.S. The government see the value in games, just check the recent budget. P.P.S. Tried Aziz tonight for the first time tonight, (try to avoid the award winning places) and not a patch on The Standard or The Exeter.

My question on this is why do students feel £9k per year is unreasonable? There's 18,000 students at Brookes, imagine they all currently pay £3k per year over a 3yr course, that's £162m. Brookes employs 2,500 staff, imagine their average salary is £30k, that's £75m of staffing costs alone. Take in to account the running of buildings - energy, consumables etc. stocking libraries, gyms, equipping sports teams providing the very best materials available for study year in and year out. then add in to that maintenance and development of existing facilities - the odd £5m+ new building here and there. You have no money left by the end of it and the government has to support it. You can quickly see where debt comes in to. Ultimately University is a choice made by the individual to hopefully secure them a better paying job and prosperous career for the future. For that they should contribute.