HADDEN HILL CRASH: Firefighters fear men died in inital impact (From The Oxford Times)

If rather than flagging down mainly professional motorists on St. Giles for breaching the 20 mph limit (which is pointless because it's almost impossible to speed there due to the turns in the road) the police did what they used to do so well before the advent of our mechanised instant common senseless for profit law and order and instead sat in their patrol cars in driveways with speed guns looking out for what are normally young people driving fairly recklessly (not referring to this incidence as I don't know the circumstances), they would save many many lives. Do some research in local online newspapers and you'll see how many young people are killed out having fun. In the mean time, sensible motorists who accidentally go over the limit by 5 to 10mph (and have been driving safely all their lives) are now being persecuted to bring in some money.

This is disgusting and a misuse of the public trust. Again, no reference to the incident in this article, but in the 1980s and 90s, this sort of thing happened less because the police were focused on bad or dangerous driving. (I was pulled over in the 1980s for chatting with a mate in the car with me. Officer was worried I may not be concentrating on the road. I was very grateful, he had a point.)

Firstly Oflife, I agree with you that there should be more officers available to prevent and detect dangerous driving rather than a reliance on automated speed enforcement.

However much of your argument is inaccurate.

Have you ever seen anyone flagged down in St Giles? As I understand it TVP have stated that a 20 mph speed limit should be self enforcing due to road design before they consider enforcing it. Perhaps the people you saw flagged down were driving dangerously as you state the road is tight.

In the 1980's and 90's fatal collisions happened a lot more I assure you. Do you not remember Blackbird Leys back then?

DFT statistics show a year on year decrease of fatal and serious injury collisions for at least the past decade.

Also professional people who accidently go over the speed limit of 5-10mph will be able to attend a speed awareness course.

Robie says: "Also professional people who accidently go over the speed limit of 5-10mph will be able to attend a speed awareness course." I think you'll find it's also open to unprofessional people.

No police action could have prevented this tragedy; how could it? My thoughts go out to the families.

Robie wrote:
Firstly Oflife, I agree with you that there should be more officers available to prevent and detect dangerous driving rather than a reliance on automated speed enforcement.

However much of your argument is inaccurate.

Have you ever seen anyone flagged down in St Giles? As I understand it TVP have stated that a 20 mph speed limit should be self enforcing due to road design before they consider enforcing it. Perhaps the people you saw flagged down were driving dangerously as you state the road is tight.

In the 1980's and 90's fatal collisions happened a lot more I assure you. Do you not remember Blackbird Leys back then?

DFT statistics show a year on year decrease of fatal and serious injury collisions for at least the past decade.

Also professional people who accidently go over the speed limit of 5-10mph will be able to attend a speed awareness course.

The last 2 weeks on Monday, and Tuesday on the second week, plod had a speed trap in St Giles with 4 plod cars and a full complement of plod ready to race off if anybody did not stop. It was ZERO tolerance and anybody doing 30 or more was given 3pts and £80, 24 or more was a pull over a check on the car for anything they could nick you for and a warning.

Oflife wrote:
If rather than flagging down mainly professional motorists on St. Giles for breaching the 20 mph limit (which is pointless because it's almost impossible to speed there due to the turns in the road) the police did what they used to do so well before the advent of our mechanised instant common senseless for profit law and order and instead sat in their patrol cars in driveways with speed guns looking out for what are normally young people driving fairly recklessly (not referring to this incidence as I don't know the circumstances), they would save many many lives. Do some research in local online newspapers and you'll see how many young people are killed out having fun. In the mean time, sensible motorists who accidentally go over the limit by 5 to 10mph (and have been driving safely all their lives) are now being persecuted to bring in some money.

This is disgusting and a misuse of the public trust. Again, no reference to the incident in this article, but in the 1980s and 90s, this sort of thing happened less because the police were focused on bad or dangerous driving. (I was pulled over in the 1980s for chatting with a mate in the car with me. Officer was worried I may not be concentrating on the road. I was very grateful, he had a point.)

The authorities were very quick to publish the accident/death figures for the period that the speed cameras were turned off, compared to the previous 6 months. Now that they have been turned back on we have had 10 times mores deaths on our roads. Will they be as quick to publish those details. I wish all of those idiots on here who advocate 20mph limits and cameras everywhere would look at those figures. Speed does not kill, stupid driving does. But a camera at the side of the road makes money. Plod driving around in their cars catching dangerous drivers costs money. And in our society at the moment money is more important that people. 4 police cars sat in St Giles uses no fuel and makes a lot of money in fines, but saves no lives, 4 police cars driving around our roads cost lots of money, but will find dangerous drivers and possibly save lives.

Oflife wrote:
If rather than flagging down mainly professional motorists on St. Giles for breaching the 20 mph limit (which is pointless because it's almost impossible to speed there due to the turns in the road) the police did what they used to do so well before the advent of our mechanised instant common senseless for profit law and order and instead sat in their patrol cars in driveways with speed guns looking out for what are normally young people driving fairly recklessly (not referring to this incidence as I don't know the circumstances), they would save many many lives. Do some research in local online newspapers and you'll see how many young people are killed out having fun. In the mean time, sensible motorists who accidentally go over the limit by 5 to 10mph (and have been driving safely all their lives) are now being persecuted to bring in some money.

This is disgusting and a misuse of the public trust. Again, no reference to the incident in this article, but in the 1980s and 90s, this sort of thing happened less because the police were focused on bad or dangerous driving. (I was pulled over in the 1980s for chatting with a mate in the car with me. Officer was worried I may not be concentrating on the road. I was very grateful, he had a point.)

Ofkine, please try and get your facts right. St Giles is in fact a 30mph limit, not a 20mph limit, as it is a through-route. Also, how would you know if the drivers being stopped, were mainly professional drivers!

Robie wrote:
Firstly Oflife, I agree with you that there should be more officers available to prevent and detect dangerous driving rather than a reliance on automated speed enforcement.

However much of your argument is inaccurate.

Have you ever seen anyone flagged down in St Giles? As I understand it TVP have stated that a 20 mph speed limit should be self enforcing due to road design before they consider enforcing it. Perhaps the people you saw flagged down were driving dangerously as you state the road is tight.

In the 1980's and 90's fatal collisions happened a lot more I assure you. Do you not remember Blackbird Leys back then?

DFT statistics show a year on year decrease of fatal and serious injury collisions for at least the past decade.

Also professional people who accidently go over the speed limit of 5-10mph will be able to attend a speed awareness course.

@Robie: I did in fact witness and photograph a considerable number of cars being pulled over (including a taxi containing a frustrated family!), and no less than 8 officers were on hand. Meanwhile, at the same time, the other side of the block, in Jericho, drunks and drug dealers are all over the place (even in daylight hours) and it's not only uncomfortable for the residents, but leads to real crime because we all know why homes are broken into and laptops stolen from unsuspecting students and visitors. (Experienced residents have their homes bolted up and any easily nickable fair out of site.) But you get my point. It's about priorities.

I have no problem with consistent NATIONAL speed limits (70-80mph motorways?, 60 on A roads, 40 on B roads, and 30 in town centres, 20 outside schools, but no entrapment and fair warning to drivers who are obviously not drunk, chatting with mates in the back of a 1997 Escort, not driving erratically, not texting (whilst driving) etc.

Am livid about this because I know many people who all of a sudden (myself included) receive speeding tickets in the mail after driving through places we have safely driven for 15 to 20 years. The cost of paying or defending this in money, time and stress is awful and even if one pays up (I'm not defending legitimate cases), that's a week or two grocery budget for many people.

The best way to slow down drivers in built up areas is to do what they have done in Fulham, London so well: Chicanes, and in that case, very large (and pretty!) flower pots that stick out into the road. It is physically impossible to drive around them quickly, yet NO harm is done to the car or driver, unlike speed ramps, such as those in Kidlington that damage cars and the backs and hips of their occupants.

Not ranting, wanting to make life more fair and common sense based.

(BTW, not blaming the police, they are doing their job.)

Forums - the greatest invention since the creation of democracy! :)

saffron lady wrote:

Oflife wrote:
If rather than flagging down mainly professional motorists on St. Giles for breaching the 20 mph limit (which is pointless because it's almost impossible to speed there due to the turns in the road) the police did what they used to do so well before the advent of our mechanised instant common senseless for profit law and order and instead sat in their patrol cars in driveways with speed guns looking out for what are normally young people driving fairly recklessly (not referring to this incidence as I don't know the circumstances), they would save many many lives. Do some research in local online newspapers and you'll see how many young people are killed out having fun. In the mean time, sensible motorists who accidentally go over the limit by 5 to 10mph (and have been driving safely all their lives) are now being persecuted to bring in some money.

This is disgusting and a misuse of the public trust. Again, no reference to the incident in this article, but in the 1980s and 90s, this sort of thing happened less because the police were focused on bad or dangerous driving. (I was pulled over in the 1980s for chatting with a mate in the car with me. Officer was worried I may not be concentrating on the road. I was very grateful, he had a point.)

Ofkine, please try and get your facts right. St Giles is in fact a 30mph limit, not a 20mph limit, as it is a through-route. Also, how would you know if the drivers being stopped, were mainly professional drivers!

Are you really that Stoopid Saffy. It is 20mph all the way from Botley Rd to Woodstock and Banbury Rds. Or maybe you should call plod and tell them that they nicked all those drivers the past 2 weeks for doing nothing wrong.

Seriously? Two people die, under circumstances that none of you know anything about and all you can do is rant about being pulled over on St Giles?

RIP guys xx

Marston Terrier wrote:
Seriously? Two people die, under circumstances that none of you know anything about and all you can do is rant about being pulled over on St Giles?

RIP guys xx

Of course it is a tragic accident, but the analysis now must be on how we can prevent this happening time and time again with more lives wasted. And having 4 police cars nicking people in St Giles is not the way.

Marston Terrier wrote:
Seriously? Two people die, under circumstances that none of you know anything about and all you can do is rant about being pulled over on St Giles?

RIP guys xx

agree with you whats st giles got to do with this its a sad time 2 young men are dead here someone's son brother or even dad and you guys go on about st giles rip guys

I agree with Marston, not one of you lot offered condolences, but have used this Horrific accident to whinge about TVP and your petty gripes.

Two young Boys died last night in horrific circumstances, and i think a little respect for both sets of parents and all their friends would be in order. Dont You??

RIP to the two boys that died. And have a little respect.

townie wrote:

Marston Terrier wrote:
Seriously? Two people die, under circumstances that none of you know anything about and all you can do is rant about being pulled over on St Giles?

RIP guys xx

agree with you whats st giles got to do with this its a sad time 2 young men are dead here someone's son brother or even dad and you guys go on about st giles rip guys

So are you saying that whenever somebody dies everybody should stop saying anything. Let's not talk about our brave soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan because they have no kit, is that what you want. The St Giles comment is very pertinent as if the police patrol the roads instead of holding speed cameras, they may have pulled the car over before the accident and saved 2 lives. The obsession with giving out £80 fines, and NOT looking for bad drivers is causing these tragic deaths. You need to look at the wider picture, and not an isolated incident to stop some comments that could save lives.

Oflife wrote:
If rather than flagging down mainly professional motorists on St. Giles for breaching the 20 mph limit (which is pointless because it's almost impossible to speed there due to the turns in the road) the police did what they used to do so well before the advent of our mechanised instant common senseless for profit law and order and instead sat in their patrol cars in driveways with speed guns looking out for what are normally young people driving fairly recklessly (not referring to this incidence as I don't know the circumstances), they would save many many lives. Do some research in local online newspapers and you'll see how many young people are killed out having fun. In the mean time, sensible motorists who accidentally go over the limit by 5 to 10mph (and have been driving safely all their lives) are now being persecuted to bring in some money.

This is disgusting and a misuse of the public trust. Again, no reference to the incident in this article, but in the 1980s and 90s, this sort of thing happened less because the police were focused on bad or dangerous driving. (I was pulled over in the 1980s for chatting with a mate in the car with me. Officer was worried I may not be concentrating on the road. I was very grateful, he had a point.)

rip to the two boys that have been killed but can i just clarrify that all these people that say st giles is 20mph are wrong i use it everyday and it is 30mph and the only reason why all these people are moaning about tvp patrolling the streets and handing out fines are because they're the ones who are probably causing the offences.

LORD PETER MACVEY 0X2 6EG wrote:

townie wrote:

Marston Terrier wrote:
Seriously? Two people die, under circumstances that none of you know anything about and all you can do is rant about being pulled over on St Giles?

RIP guys xx

agree with you whats st giles got to do with this its a sad time 2 young men are dead here someone's son brother or even dad and you guys go on about st giles rip guys

So are you saying that whenever somebody dies everybody should stop saying anything. Let's not talk about our brave soldiers getting killed in Afghanistan because they have no kit, is that what you want. The St Giles comment is very pertinent as if the police patrol the roads instead of holding speed cameras, they may have pulled the car over before the accident and saved 2 lives. The obsession with giving out £80 fines, and NOT looking for bad drivers is causing these tragic deaths. You need to look at the wider picture, and not an isolated incident to stop some comments that could save lives.

Looking for bad drivers! once again you show absolutely no respect. I have a friend today who has just lost two cousins, these boys were loved by many yet you fill this news article with your petty outburst. Maybe you should think of there family, im sure right now they are not the slightest bit interested in St Giles. It seems like you are assuming that they died because of being bad drivers whatever the cause send you rant to a local concil or air it somewhere responsibly not on a news article where people want to pay tribute to those we have lost RIP Rhys and Jack gone but never forgotten love you

I cannot believe you have just wrote that i actually have never written on this website before and made an account especially to reply to your post. I think youll find I am 19 years of age and grew up in Didcot and new these lads and many of there friends and infact payed tribute first to them by writing personally on there facebooks. You are so very wrong and very rude !

Its my nickname and date of birth thankyou I have never had an account before and neither no who you are or what you are on about, actually appalled that you think this. Disgustinging and I have reported you for your absolute rudeness and disrepect towards the whole situation if you knew the boys and had seen the pictures they are greatly loved and their families would hate to see the way you have written so carelessly on here. What you have said and implied is very upsetting

I too never had an account until i saw some of these comments, but to hijack a story, so tragic, that has affected many people in Didcot and surrounding villages, with your pettyness, and bile against the TV Police is so sad.

The TVP do a good job on the whole. They will find out what the cause of this accident was. So leave your thoughts and innuendos to yourself. Especially you McVie. With your holier than thou comments on numerous threads.

I feel so sorry for those lads, and their parents, nobody should go through this.

Lessons will be learnt, but there is a time and a place.

Lets hope the families of J and R can find some peace, because this story has affected me greatly. You always worry about your children. And this struck a chord with me.

RIP both of you. x

The first call my brother attended, as a rookie paramedic, was almost identical to this one. Until you have experience, you really should keep it zipped and show respect for the dead. I can only imagine how awful any family members would feel if they read the comments here. Who gives a flying flick what the speed limit in St. Giles is! Read the signs!

Once again, to the families of these young men I offer my most sincere and heart-felt condolences. As a nurse I can only hope to reassure you by saying that the firefighters were right, and such an impact would have meant that your loved ones didn't know anything from the moment the car stopped. RIP, and God Bless.

Folks, come on. Two people have died here and all you can do is argue over a bit of road 12 miles away from the scene.

Give it a rest, and think of the people they've left behind.

First of all, my condolences the families.

In due course, a report will no doubt be published that attempts to accurately reflect the circumstances of the crash.

What is undoubted though is that this particular road, like many alleged A roads across Oxfordshire is absolutely disgraceful.

It was designed for a horse & cart or Morris Minor - not a modern car. All it takes on a dark night is to mis-judge the width of an oncoming vehicle and the corresponding width of the road to find yourself with your left tyres in the gravel and scrubb - with expected affect on the steering.

Similarily, I can't be the only person who has found themselves slamming on the brakes in a heart pounding moment on any number of South Oxon roads when a deer decides to bound out in front of me - only to disappear in an instant. I'm just glad of anti-lock brakes and traction control.

"Maybe you should think of there family, im sure right now they are not the slightest bit interested in St Giles"
You're right. And they are not reading this stuff either because they've more important things to do. So please don't be so pious.

RIP, whoever you were, and my condolences to your families. TVP do a very good job, and as this incident happened at 3,40am, why would they be out checking for speeding vehicles? i would suggest that they may well have been travelling too fast, and possibly under the influence. a very sad story indeed. St Giles is a 20 limit, and so many do not stick to that, and enforcement is good news. if you get caught, tough!

Two boys died yesterday, that's the priority right now, not an argument over St Giles. R.I.P boys, you will be forever missed xx

A very sad day indeed. Drove past the scene yesterday and it was obviously being investigated. Very strange place for an accident as it's a well maintained road with hidden dips or bumps. The damage to the wall and severity of the accident does suggest excessive speed/driving beyond their skill level could be to blame. I feel sorry for the families who have to deal with it.

Two young men are no longer with us - no matter what the circumstances of the accident. I understand they were well known in Didcot & Wallingford and were very popular amongst there peer group.

My condolences to the Families concerned.

As regards the A4130 - especially around Wallingford and out towards Didcot, this road is often used as a TT race track by those on 2 wheels over the summer - or whenever the sun shines and I am suprised that there are not more fatalities on this road.

The Police though are never present when these instances occur.

Jimmy

How do we know that they are young? The article just says "adults".

Condolences to the families anyhow...

Lady Penelopee wrote:
How do we know that they are young? The article just says "adults". Condolences to the families anyhow...

Ther names and ages were put out on BBC local TV last night.

Whats not been said is Neither of these people have a driving license, so they should not of even been in a car, what's worse is they had been drinking and no seat belts were worn, while speeding. They are 20 and 21. I feel sorry for the families they have left behind to pick up the pieces.

Didcot2012 wrote:
Whats not been said is Neither of these people have a driving license, so they should not of even been in a car, what's worse is they had been drinking and no seat belts were worn, while speeding. They are 20 and 21. I feel sorry for the families they have left behind to pick up the pieces.

I am not sure how anybody would know that these two young men were drinking and that they were not wearing seat belts, as I am sure that these details would not be released until an inquest is openend. If it was the case that they were drinking, then thankfully they didn't kill anybody else. We need to re-educate these young boys and men, that cars are a lethal weapon, and need to be driven with care - I just do not understand this culture of racing everywhere and that's what needs to be stopped.

i'm not being nasty but at the end of the day , these boys died yesterday!! no need to keep puttin things up!! , tbh it dont really give anything Out! Just Saything What Went On, my thoughts are with his poor family he was a lovely lad a died so younge!! R.I.P Rhys!!

No Need To Rant On About The Speeding Limts Becuz At The End Of The Day i Bet u All Do The Same! You Just Want sumat To Moan About , My Self i Think Your A Little Heartless Becuz Your just goin gO And On Bout Speeding!! None Of You Probs Dont Even No What Went On!! I Only Made This Account UP TO Comment on here As It Made Me Made Seeing All Thses Comment!!!!!

lizzy25 wrote:

Didcot2012 wrote:
Whats not been said is Neither of these people have a driving license, so they should not of even been in a car, what's worse is they had been drinking and no seat belts were worn, while speeding. They are 20 and 21. I feel sorry for the families they have left behind to pick up the pieces.

I am not sure how anybody would know that these two young men were drinking and that they were not wearing seat belts, as I am sure that these details would not be released until an inquest is openend. If it was the case that they were drinking, then thankfully they didn't kill anybody else. We need to re-educate these young boys and men, that cars are a lethal weapon, and need to be driven with care - I just do not understand this culture of racing everywhere and that's what needs to be stopped.

If didcot is right it makes me worry for all our safety on the roads.

Tragic accident, and thanke to all the newbies for thier tributes.

I'm local to Didcot and unfortunately have driven past the floral tributes on my way to and from work and have been moved and saddened by such an awful, awful situation. I don't know these lads, but as a parent and compassionate individual, I cant bear to think what their families are going through right now. Whilst I am sure we can only hope that lessons are learnt by this tragic accident, surely we have to first stop, think and pay respects to the two young men that have passed and their families that are left behind, with so many questions they will never have answered, they have to deal with the raw grief and heart aching emotion no parent or partner should ever have to experience. So, whilst some may think that this is their 'opportunity' to voice arguments about TVP & the condition of the roads within Oxfordshire, it isn't. Take these issues else where, not here, where clearly any sensible individual can read and feel the pain that those who knew these young men are expressing. I have never ever written on one of these sites, but felt compelled to do so. Words seem empty but RIP and god bless and please show some compassion, after all what else can we do at a time like this?

When you due back in nursery Chan001

Bartsimpson_uk wrote:
When you due back in nursery Chan001

When she finds Missy17

chan001 wrote:
No Need To Rant On About The Speeding Limts Becuz At The End Of The Day i Bet u All Do The Same! You Just Want sumat To Moan About , My Self i Think Your A Little Heartless Becuz Your just goin gO And On Bout Speeding!! None Of You Probs Dont Even No What Went On!! I Only Made This Account UP TO Comment on here As It Made Me Made Seeing All Thses Comment!!!!!

Well done.....using TXCT SPK and poor english to make your point isn't going to win you any supporters. Grow up.

Wallingford2 wrote:

chan001 wrote:
No Need To Rant On About The Speeding Limts Becuz At The End Of The Day i Bet u All Do The Same! You Just Want sumat To Moan About , My Self i Think Your A Little Heartless Becuz Your just goin gO And On Bout Speeding!! None Of You Probs Dont Even No What Went On!! I Only Made This Account UP TO Comment on here As It Made Me Made Seeing All Thses Comment!!!!!

Well done.....using TXCT SPK and poor english to make your point isn't going to win you any supporters. Grow up.

Text speak, no. That is GCSE A standard these days. Sadly Wallingford2

Everyone saying what nice lads these two are, I was at a boxing show a few weeks ago when the nice lad Rhys Roberts was drugged out of his head, spitting in doormens faces and spewing racist bile at the doormen calling them dirty "**** C**nts saying that he would find them and their families and burn their **** houses down. sounds like a real nice lad to me ! You get what you deserve in this life I'm afraid

shazey wrote:
Everyone saying what nice lads these two are, I was at a boxing show a few weeks ago when the nice lad Rhys Roberts was drugged out of his head, spitting in doormens faces and spewing racist bile at the doormen calling them dirty "**** C**nts saying that he would find them and their families and burn their **** houses down. sounds like a real nice lad to me ! You get what you deserve in this life I'm afraid

This is very true they could both be horrible people, but then most of there friends are the same and find it funny, just like a friend of there's that I saw hit the poor landlady at the oak and another knocking the landlord out, they were ment to be having a drink for the boys! No respect for anyone but them selves, but it must be horrible for there families that maybe knew them to be different.

shazey wrote:
Everyone saying what nice lads these two are, I was at a boxing show a few weeks ago when the nice lad Rhys Roberts was drugged out of his head, spitting in doormens faces and spewing racist bile at the doormen calling them dirty "**** C**nts saying that he would find them and their families and burn their **** houses down. sounds like a real nice lad to me ! You get what you deserve in this life I'm afraid

As this situation has already highlighted, life is too short. For the sake of the deceased and thier grieving families allow and accept that sometimes we make mistakes. To harbour such resentment will only harm yourself, and cause further unnecessary anxiety to the families involved. No one is perfect.

Im disgusted by the comments on here! Who cares what they had or hadn't done in their pasts, the fact of the matter is 2 young lads have lost their lives in horrific circumstances, yet all you lot can do is rant on about the speed limit in St. Giles and what they may or may not of done! For god sake SHOW SOME RESPECT!!! There's 2 families that have lost their son, brother, etc and in one case a little girl that's lost her dad! RIP Jack and Rhys

Who or what they were is irrevelant this is just another waste of young lives how good or bad they were they could like others have changed like others have R.I.P lads and condolences to the families

Wait till the report comes out I'm sure some of you may eat your words, the boys only have themseleves to blame, no license, taking a car not belonging to them, drink and drugs at a house party all night.

Didcot2012 wrote:
Wait till the report comes out I'm sure some of you may eat your words, the boys only have themseleves to blame, no license, taking a car not belonging to them, drink and drugs at a house party all night.

Didcot2012 you seem to have alot to say on this, how about you take your own advice and wait for the inquest and reports! Then and only then will the truth come out about what actually happened that awful night until then, keep your poision to yourself!

What I have said is the truth! And I'm sure there parents would want you to also know the truth! And if you know the boys im sure you know what I am saying fits them down too a T.

Didcot2012 wrote:
Wait till the report comes out I'm sure some of you may eat your words, the boys only have themseleves to blame, no license, taking a car not belonging to them, drink and drugs at a house party all night.

Clearly your halo is well polished. Never made a mistake yourself?Judging from the comments on here nobody really cares about your opinion. Why is it that you cannnot show a little empathy in such a tragic time. Really, your accusations mean nothing even if they bore true at the Inquest. The fact is 2 young lads have lost their lives and their loved ones are grieving, and will be forever. Give them a break.

Didcot2012 wrote:
What I have said is the truth! And I'm sure there parents would want you to also know the truth! And if you know the boys im sure you know what I am saying fits them down too a T.

And who on earth are you to say what their parents would or would not want everyone to know, when you clearly breathe nothing but venom. Perhaps you should leave it to the parents to do this in their own time.

Didcot2012, you have no idea when to keep quiet do you? We are all well aware of the circumstances surrounding their deaths, but no matter what they had done it was not worthy of a death penalty! Neither was it the fault of their friends and family who are grieving and having to listen to the likes of you! Keep your comments to yourself.

You obviously enjoy reading what I have to say! Rhys was a nasty piece of work and being one of the people he used to be disgustingly rude to and threaten to hurt my family in his drugged up state, i shall say what I bleedy well like! it's called freedom of speech if you don't like it then don't read it! Truth hurts

Didcot2012....all i can say is this..if you ran your gob off like you are on here to Rhys's face, are you totally suprised that he gave as good as he got?!! Wake up and realise that noone gives a **** on your opinion, what they may or may not have done or anything vile that comes from your mouth! End of the day 2 well known and well liked/loved guys have lost their lives, so show some respect for their families and friends that are grieving at this time!

Good thing they only killed themselves rather than an innocent driver or pedestrian with their stupidity.

Crazy86 wrote:
Didcot2012....all i can say is this..if you ran your gob off like you are on here to Rhys's face, are you totally suprised that he gave as good as he got?!! Wake up and realise that noone gives a **** on your opinion, what they may or may not have done or anything vile that comes from your mouth! End of the day 2 well known and well liked/loved guys have lost their lives, so show some respect for their families and friends that are grieving at this time!

No it was because I refused to serve him alcohol when he was already intoxicated! And your language is a disgrace. You obviously do care what I say as you keep commenting on it. Such a lovely bloke that he was going to be sent to prison son just like his brother!

Didcot 2012 and Crazy 86 you should both hang your head in shame. This is a forum to comment on the tragic situation not to throw around insults and bring up personal issues that bear no relevance on the tragic circumstances. Regardless of either of the young guys characters, two young men have died in awful circumstances. Their loved one's are left to pick up the pieces and deal with the a life without them. Regardless of whether they were good or bad surely their loved one's deserve respect & be allowed to grieve without the knowledge, which I am sure they have, of all this rumbling on. Clearly you two guys have an issue with one another, may I suggest that you take it else where. Just put yourselves into either one of the parents shoes and imagine reading this, reading this when they've just lost a son, a father, a loved one. Do you think your words would bring them peace and comfort? I don't know either of the young men but I do hope that they RIP and their families are allowed to grieve in peace.

rhys was my best friend i knew him for the good person he was, he had moments but at the end of the day he was a good friend always there for me and his other friends please respect the fact that this is a difficult time, i think when were all young our parents teach that if you havent got anything nice to say then dont say anything at all, this is one of those moments, at the end of the day shame on the people that speak ill of the dead, i know rhys wouldnt have ever done that, there is a special place for people like you, thankyou for the people standing up for them i know it will mean a lot to everyone. god bless rhys and jack love and miss you

shazey wrote:
Everyone saying what nice lads these two are, I was at a boxing show a few weeks ago when the nice lad Rhys Roberts was drugged out of his head, spitting in doormens faces and spewing racist bile at the doormen calling them dirty "**** C**nts saying that he would find them and their families and burn their **** houses down. sounds like a real nice lad to me ! You get what you deserve in this life I'm afraid

why would you even say that it's not even been one week HEARTLESS, for the "you get what you deserve" well to speak of such a a young friend with so much more to give who's unfortunally gone in the blink of a eye, i feel sorry for you cause you deserve somthing, but i nor rhys would wish it upon you, now think about it im reading these comments and its upsetting me let alone his mum and other family and friends, i hope she doesnt read these at this time, we all need surport, and some people are here to give their sympathy thankyou, and then there are people like you dispicable we dont want to hear it so keep your thoughts to yourself, thankyou
i miss you already cant belive i cant see you again, forever in my heart and mind i love you rhysie best mates gandyx

Didcot2012 wrote:
You obviously enjoy reading what I have to say! Rhys was a nasty piece of work and being one of the people he used to be disgustingly rude to and threaten to hurt my family in his drugged up state, i shall say what I bleedy well like! it's called freedom of speech if you don't like it then don't read it! Truth hurts

freedom of speech my arse if i had my way id sew your mouth shut it is not morally right to speak of the deceased in this way, you knew one side of rhys i knew the other sweet innocent rhys, his family and friends know what happend keep your mouth shut, they have died, i dont wish any one to die life is precious i acturlly cant believe the human race have turned into this un-sympathetic scum, again if youve got nothing nice to say please dont say nothing at all

The way I see it is that it is one more delinquent off of the streets that we the tax payer will not have to pay for as his record speaks for its self in and out of prison and would have been the same for the rest of his life. If you want to take drugs and drive why should you get sympathy ? No doubt gandy your probably the same,I hope this makes you think if you take drugs and drive you could end up the same

the only good thing about this is they didn't kill anyone else

Ok, so I have been debating for a little while weather to write on here or not but here goes... (I will try not to lower myself to Didcot2012 and Shazey standards). Firstly may I thank you for all the kind messages. I have been disguited in reading some of the other comments.. mainly Didcot 2012 and Shazey (I dont know why Im even wasting my time on you) but I just want to clarify Rhys was one the nicest people you will EVER meet! He was gorgeous, kind, caring, loving, a family guy, generous and loads more nice things. However like probobaly 80% of Didcot he got involved in drugs :-( and then theres drink (which is not a bad thing in proportion). These are what made Rhys bad in some peoples eyes (even in my own at times). I understand that people he may of hurt in the past maybe reacting the way they are... HOWEVER... you never ever wish or are happy someone had died! In my opinion it wasnt all Rhys fault althrough a bad mistake he has made and yes has now lost his poor life to it. Rhys was NEVER a violent person sober/off drugs. All I want is the whole wide world to know that ( I think most people do but there are some major dickheads that deserve no happiness in their lives for all the horrible things they have wrote). I am so happy I knew Rhys for the whole 21 years of his life and will miss him forever. Please nomore horrible comments.. Let him rest in peace. And may this teach you all a lesson on drink driving and drugs. Anyone who takes drugs or sells them is first class scum in my eyes.

Monkey26 wrote:
Ok, so I have been debating for a little while weather to write on here or not but here goes... (I will try not to lower myself to Didcot2012 and Shazey standards). Firstly may I thank you for all the kind messages. I have been disguited in reading some of the other comments.. mainly Didcot 2012 and Shazey (I dont know why Im even wasting my time on you) but I just want to clarify Rhys was one the nicest people you will EVER meet! He was gorgeous, kind, caring, loving, a family guy, generous and loads more nice things. However like probobaly 80% of Didcot he got involved in drugs :-( and then theres drink (which is not a bad thing in proportion). These are what made Rhys bad in some peoples eyes (even in my own at times). I understand that people he may of hurt in the past maybe reacting the way they are... HOWEVER... you never ever wish or are happy someone had died! In my opinion it wasnt all Rhys fault althrough a bad mistake he has made and yes has now lost his poor life to it. Rhys was NEVER a violent person sober/off drugs. All I want is the whole wide world to know that ( I think most people do but there are some major dickheads that deserve no happiness in their lives for all the horrible things they have wrote). I am so happy I knew Rhys for the whole 21 years of his life and will miss him forever. Please nomore horrible comments.. Let him rest in peace. And may this teach you all a lesson on drink driving and drugs. Anyone who takes drugs or sells them is first class scum in my eyes.

If you read your comment sound like your saying he was scum and he was violent on drink and drugs! He may have been different around certain people. I think everyone that deals and uses drugs should be locked up and drink should be limited and then maybe people wouldn't get beaten up or abused. And would save so many people's lives like these two boys that didnt stop and think about what they were dong. I would never wish death on anyone even my worst enemy.