Oxford United boss Wilder bemoans "ridiculous" goals (From The Oxford Times)

monday morning QB says...
10:06am Wed 7 Nov 12

Why can't he accept responsibility ?

His team, his tactics. If Adkins can take responsibility for his (Southampton) team's failure in the Premiership then CW can surely do the same for the dross on display last night.

People might warm to him a little if he points the finger at himself sometimes. Also what was wrong with Mullins that meant the carthorse aka Raynes was selected instead?

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adlibber says...
10:18am Wed 7 Nov 12

It's ok because many fans are bemoaning the ridiculous manager in charge of an inconsistent team including below average loan players. Wilder can't accept responsibility for his considerable mistakes as he has convinced himself it's everybody else's fault. Lenagan needs to act now.

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GRB says...
11:03am Wed 7 Nov 12

To play Raynes ahead of Mullins and play Chapman on the right wing were two shocking decisions. As soon as I saw the team I knew we were going to struggle. Very poor management.

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WindsorYellow says...
12:53pm Wed 7 Nov 12

WILDER OUT !!!!!! Enough said. We had 5k last night, might be 4.5k on Saturday

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RADIOFAN says...
2:02pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Just look at the table. 4 of our wins this season has come against the bottom six and if you look at the top half of the table at the moment . Out of teams there we have played 10 won 1 drew 1 lost 8. That is nowhere near promotion form. Oh by the way if you Wilder supporters is really that desperate to see conference football again then i point out to you that Forest Green is just up the road.

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BigYellowScarf says...
2:35pm Wed 7 Nov 12

The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport.

But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it.

Come on you yellows.

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GRB says...
3:01pm Wed 7 Nov 12

BigYellowScarf wrote:
The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport.

But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it.

Come on you yellows.

Fair enough, the players have to take some responsibility but the manager picks the team and decides which tactics the team play. I've highlighted two critical **** ups Wilder made last night. One was a tactical mistake, one a selection mistake. If he hadn't made those mistakes I'm sure we'd have beaten a poor Dagenham side!

The players can be 100% motivated but if they're badly organised etc they won't win many games!

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GRB says...
3:15pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Also, the sign of a good manager is getting the best out of what he has got, ie budget. At the moment, we certainly ain't getting the best out of what we've got!

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BigYellowScarf says...
3:30pm Wed 7 Nov 12

GRB wrote:

BigYellowScarf wrote:
The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport.

But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it.

Come on you yellows.
Fair enough, the players have to take some responsibility but the manager picks the team and decides which tactics the team play. I've highlighted two critical **** ups Wilder made last night. One was a tactical mistake, one a selection mistake. If he hadn't made those mistakes I'm sure we'd have beaten a poor Dagenham side!

The players can be 100% motivated but if they're badly organised etc they won't win many games!

Believe it or not I wouldn't disagree with you - I wouldn't have picked that starting line-up. But you know what? CW might not have wanted to, either, but a manager has to juggle multiple considerations: it ain't as simple as just selecting your preferred eleven on any given day. And the problems last night weren't predominantly tactical. Having both Batt and Potter missing created a problem on the right, but much more important was the fact that the players selected let the manager (and us) down by failing to do very basic things anything like as well as we know they can. And to repeat: that's THEIR responsibility, not the manager's: I don't buy the "he's not getting the best out of them" line - that's falling back into the culture of blame.

[quote][p][bold]GRB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigYellowScarf[/bold] wrote: The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport. But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it. Come on you yellows.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, the players have to take some responsibility but the manager picks the team and decides which tactics the team play. I've highlighted two critical **** ups Wilder made last night. One was a tactical mistake, one a selection mistake. If he hadn't made those mistakes I'm sure we'd have beaten a poor Dagenham side! The players can be 100% motivated but if they're badly organised etc they won't win many games![/p][/quote]Believe it or not I wouldn't disagree with you - I wouldn't have picked that starting line-up. But you know what? CW might not have wanted to, either, but a manager has to juggle multiple considerations: it ain't as simple as just selecting your preferred eleven on any given day. And the problems last night weren't predominantly tactical. Having both Batt and Potter missing created a problem on the right, but much more important was the fact that the players selected let the manager (and us) down by failing to do very basic things anything like as well as we know they can. And to repeat: that's THEIR responsibility, not the manager's: I don't buy the "he's not getting the best out of them" line - that's falling back into the culture of blame. BigYellowScarf

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BigYellowScarf says...
3:31pm Wed 7 Nov 12

GRB wrote:

BigYellowScarf wrote:
The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport.

But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it.

Come on you yellows.
Fair enough, the players have to take some responsibility but the manager picks the team and decides which tactics the team play. I've highlighted two critical **** ups Wilder made last night. One was a tactical mistake, one a selection mistake. If he hadn't made those mistakes I'm sure we'd have beaten a poor Dagenham side!

The players can be 100% motivated but if they're badly organised etc they won't win many games!

Believe it or not I wouldn't disagree with you - I wouldn't have picked that starting line-up. But you know what? CW might not have wanted to, either, but a manager has to juggle multiple considerations: it ain't as simple as just selecting your preferred eleven on any given day. And the problems last night weren't predominantly tactical. Having both Batt and Potter missing created a problem on the right, but much more important was the fact that the players selected let the manager (and us) down by failing to do very basic things anything like as well as we know they can. And to repeat: that's THEIR responsibility, not the manager's: I don't buy the "he's not getting the best out of them" line - that's falling back into the culture of blame.

[quote][p][bold]GRB[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BigYellowScarf[/bold] wrote: The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport. But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it. Come on you yellows.[/p][/quote]Fair enough, the players have to take some responsibility but the manager picks the team and decides which tactics the team play. I've highlighted two critical **** ups Wilder made last night. One was a tactical mistake, one a selection mistake. If he hadn't made those mistakes I'm sure we'd have beaten a poor Dagenham side! The players can be 100% motivated but if they're badly organised etc they won't win many games![/p][/quote]Believe it or not I wouldn't disagree with you - I wouldn't have picked that starting line-up. But you know what? CW might not have wanted to, either, but a manager has to juggle multiple considerations: it ain't as simple as just selecting your preferred eleven on any given day. And the problems last night weren't predominantly tactical. Having both Batt and Potter missing created a problem on the right, but much more important was the fact that the players selected let the manager (and us) down by failing to do very basic things anything like as well as we know they can. And to repeat: that's THEIR responsibility, not the manager's: I don't buy the "he's not getting the best out of them" line - that's falling back into the culture of blame. BigYellowScarf

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OxRoxBox says...
4:10pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Well if it's that straight forward then Wilder can replace Sir Alex - he would save the Yanks a fortune. No need to worry the players can lead themselves????? :(

You lead from the top don't you?

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sensible oufc fan says...
4:19pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Here Here BigYellowScarf, thank god some intelligent comments.
OxRoxBox of course you lead from the top but if once your instructions are not adhered to on the pitch then you cannot do a massive amount from the sidelines.
Team selection I agree is down to the manager dependant upon whom is available, im sure it wasnt his favoured starting 11.
Raynes had a real bad day at the office but the rest had a lacklustre performance at best and quite right they should look at themselves for what was one performance.

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oldun says...
4:25pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Ferguson has since moving from Aberdeen always been able to spend heavily (and often has done so) . Veron was not a great buy but (surprise, surprise) Rooney and Van Persie have been . Ferdinand was signed for a then record fee for a defender. As Paisley said when asked of his team's success "Simple I have the best players.." Ferguson and Paisley (with superb resources and the ability to attract many of the nation's best young players) of course have been very able at man management and at tactics. I suspect that (with much much lesser resources than Sir Bob and St Alec) the managers of leading fourth tier teams are also doing very well (against the likes of United and Dagenham) . Yes United have had injuries - but Wilder is not doing well , is he? is he?

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oldun says...
4:25pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Ferguson has since moving from Aberdeen always been able to spend heavily (and often has done so) . Veron was not a great buy but (surprise, surprise) Rooney and Van Persie have been . Ferdinand was signed for a then record fee for a defender. As Paisley said when asked of his team's success "Simple I have the best players.." Ferguson and Paisley (with superb resources and the ability to attract many of the nation's best young players) of course have been very able at man management and at tactics. I suspect that (with much much lesser resources than Sir Bob and St Alec) the managers of leading fourth tier teams are also doing very well (against the likes of United and Dagenham) . Yes United have had injuries - but Wilder is not doing well , is he? is he?

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OxRoxBox says...
4:25pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Hi Sensible - I agree partially but I think that often CW needs to show some humility and maybe even state what you have just said. They did the best with the tools available . . . but accept some responsibility as he hires the tools and they may not be the best available within the budget but he must be capable of getting the best from them. Is Mancini the best man to run the most expensive Football squad in the World? Probably not either but he tries - the Man Utd squad is not a patch on MAn City man for man but Fergie certainly motivates and gets the best out of a lesser squad and they play united as a team for a Leader. Sorry that is my opinion and I wish CW all the best for our team that is all.

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Mick E says...
4:26pm Wed 7 Nov 12

BigYellowScarf wrote:
The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport. But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it. Come on you yellows.

As one of the most pro-Wilder people who post on this site, I’m becoming fed up of defending him now, and this is the first anti-Wilder comment I’ve ever posted, but after sitting in the cold through that match again last night, I have to say it was the worst I’ve seen Oxford play for a very long time (and I’ve been to EVERY match this season). Somebody must have told the players to play hoof ball last night, and it must have been him. Dagenham were one of the worst sides I’ve seen at the Kassam in recent years, yet it went from the defence over the midfield’s heads and straight onto their defenders heads from start to finish, Craddock’s goal was decent on the back of the only move in the match I can remember where we actually passed the ball around a bit. The selection was awful, Chapman can’t play right wing, Raynes can’t seem to play at all at the moment, Craddock put away 2 of his chances, Rigg was decent when he was actually used, although he was ignored for most of the match, nobody else turned up, Beano couldn’t win a header, yet the players insisted on playing it high to him every chance they got. Nobody wanted the ball, there was no movement from our players at all.

So Bigyellowscarf u can call me naive all you want, if you want to look through my previous posts I’ve never wanted Wilder out, but those tactics are not the tactics that people are willing to pay £20+ to watch, not me anyway, if anyone wants to buy my season ticket let me know. In my work, and in pretty much all jobs, the manager has to take responsibility for his team, if my staff underperformed like that, I’d be expected to act on it & turn it around or I’d be out of a job, especially since I employed them in the first place, like most of the players in WILDER’S team. The style of football we’re playing is embarrassing, and that has to be down to the manager, his post-match comments get worse every week, and he’s not taking ANY responsibility for HIS team’s performance and style. I don’t care if we lose if we play some decent football, with decent football you’ve always got hope, and a bit of entertainment, which WE pay for. I don’t pay to be blinded by floodlights and come home with a neck-ache from looking up in the air following the ball from end to end.

Forget results, if he doesn’t convert to a more entertaining and less embarrassing style of football by Christmas, I’ll be calling for his head.

[quote][p][bold]BigYellowScarf[/bold] wrote: The naivety of most of the people who post on this site is staggering. The idea that the manager was responsible for the performance last night is laughable. Have any of these people ever managed or coached or even played the game? If they had they might have a grip on reality. Instead they live in a childlike world where the people who are actually playing – making the runs, controlling and passing the ball and reading situations and making things happen – are not required to take responsibility because the bloke on the sideline is the one who does it all. What a ludicrous idea. What a pathetic attitude. By the way, I remember years ago Mick Brown saying he was “left cold” by hearing some geezer in the crowd lay into him because the players “weren’t motivated”: he rightly said that if they couldn’t motivate themselves they shouldn’t be involved in sport. But I don’t blame these posters entirely. They’ve been sucked into the delusional Cult of the Manager, a product of the Cult of Celebrity which has taken over our infantilised world. Fortunately the players are more enlightened: they know they’re responsible, know they under-performed horrendously last night and that it was THEIR FAULT, and they’ll respond. They’re a much, much better squad than they showed last night, and it’s up to THEM, not the manager, to show it. Come on you yellows.[/p][/quote]As one of the most pro-Wilder people who post on this site, I’m becoming fed up of defending him now, and this is the first anti-Wilder comment I’ve ever posted, but after sitting in the cold through that match again last night, I have to say it was the worst I’ve seen Oxford play for a very long time (and I’ve been to EVERY match this season). Somebody must have told the players to play hoof ball last night, and it must have been him. Dagenham were one of the worst sides I’ve seen at the Kassam in recent years, yet it went from the defence over the midfield’s heads and straight onto their defenders heads from start to finish, Craddock’s goal was decent on the back of the only move in the match I can remember where we actually passed the ball around a bit. The selection was awful, Chapman can’t play right wing, Raynes can’t seem to play at all at the moment, Craddock put away 2 of his chances, Rigg was decent when he was actually used, although he was ignored for most of the match, nobody else turned up, Beano couldn’t win a header, yet the players insisted on playing it high to him every chance they got. Nobody wanted the ball, there was no movement from our players at all. So Bigyellowscarf u can call me naive all you want, if you want to look through my previous posts I’ve never wanted Wilder out, but those tactics are not the tactics that people are willing to pay £20+ to watch, not me anyway, if anyone wants to buy my season ticket let me know. In my work, and in pretty much all jobs, the manager has to take responsibility for his team, if my staff underperformed like that, I’d be expected to act on it & turn it around or I’d be out of a job, especially since I employed them in the first place, like most of the players in WILDER’S team. The style of football we’re playing is embarrassing, and that has to be down to the manager, his post-match comments get worse every week, and he’s not taking ANY responsibility for HIS team’s performance and style. I don’t care if we lose if we play some decent football, with decent football you’ve always got hope, and a bit of entertainment, which WE pay for. I don’t pay to be blinded by floodlights and come home with a neck-ache from looking up in the air following the ball from end to end. Forget results, if he doesn’t convert to a more entertaining and less embarrassing style of football by Christmas, I’ll be calling for his head. Mick E

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Mick E says...
4:27pm Wed 7 Nov 12

OxRoxBox wrote:
Well if it's that straight forward then Wilder can replace Sir Alex - he would save the Yanks a fortune. No need to worry the players can lead themselves????? :( You lead from the top don't you?

Spot on, as the ancient Chinese Proverb says, A FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD DOWN!

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OxRoxBox says...
4:36pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Excellent saying Mick E!

Look at Southampton and, as Monday Morning says on this trail's first post, Adkins - they are performing terribly and he has humility and nobody is calling for his head because he admits mistakes but is trying his best in the best League in the World. We are a World away from that but would it not be great if we could all be United? If the Kids are united they will never be divided! (Sham 69 I believe? This could be Sham 2012 if we are not careful

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OxRoxBox says...
4:36pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Excellent saying Mick E!

Look at Southampton and, as Monday Morning says on this trail's first post, Adkins - they are performing terribly and he has humility and nobody is calling for his head because he admits mistakes but is trying his best in the best League in the World. We are a World away from that but would it not be great if we could all be United? If the Kids are united they will never be divided! (Sham 69 I believe? This could be Sham 2012 if we are not careful

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jbowling says...
4:47pm Wed 7 Nov 12

After some improvement of late that's the season gone again and its only just November.

How Mr Wilder can be one of the top ten longest serving managers in the country beggars belief.

All he needs is more time, be patient yeh yeh yeh.

It is just incredible that someone who has acheived what he has in ten years of management is apparently bullet proof.

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karatavuk says...
5:21pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Any manager worth his salt should be able to organise a team to defend a corner!

Wilder is way out of his depth in the Football League.

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karatavuk says...
5:23pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Any manager worth his salt should be able to organise his team to defend a corner!

Wilder is totally out of his depth in the Football League.

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foxvox says...
5:49pm Wed 7 Nov 12

We can't defend corners and can't score from them, the same goes for free kicks. This is a coaching failure. The problem last night was, yet again, failure to score. Beano had two one on ones and missed them both, he is not a League 2 striker, he could bully his way through in the Conference, he can't do that in a higher League and despite his recent goals Craddock has a long way to go before he proves he can do it week in week out. We're probably scoring as many as last season, which was precious few, but now we can't defend. Something is wrong, what is it?

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RADIOFAN says...
6:02pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Sorry but i honesty believe if we had a Micky Adams or a Martin Allen in charge at Oxford for the past three seasons and given the identical resources as chris Wilder has received from the Oxford board that we would be playing at least division one football by now. I dont care if you think im being naive or not but that is my opinion.I have been supporting Oxford united since 1968 and i think im entitled to that. And by the way if Wilder is such a good manager why hasnt he been courted by all the clubs looking for a new manager lately? And before anybody mentions Coventry i know for a fact that he was never in the frame.

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Brenda Jackson says...
7:04pm Wed 7 Nov 12

You cannot defend the indefensible, and Mr Wilder is wholly responsible for how the team plays and the results they gain.
Simon Lenegan said recently - ''It's a results business' which is very true, it's imho also true to say Professional (cough) Football is supposed to be entertaining for spectators, well on the matches i have seen, not only this season but many under CW in recent History have not been in the least entertaining, and look where we are in the table. The current manger of Oxford Utd is living on past glories, he's also living on borrowed time imo. Problem is if he gets much more time -we could be in real trouble.

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philwhiteheadisgod says...
7:30pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Have to say I agree with most of the opinions on here. I feel we are doing the Daggers a little injustice. Although a poor side, They looked very lively going forward at times. CW is just out of his depth now and I can't be bothered to listen to the same old b**lsh*t excuses time after time. He picks the team, he picks the formation, he selects the tactics, he makes the substitutions.We were slugish, predictable and boring. Also don't forget we were against 10 men for around 25 minutes! get used to playing in front of 4000 fans come the end of the season. I really fear for our league status with our current managenment team. Ian Lenegan - do the right thing - call him in to the office and relieve him of his duties. WILDER OUT!

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philwhiteheadisgod says...
7:33pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Have to say I agree with most of the opinions on here. I feel we are doing the Daggers a little injustice. Although a poor side, They looked very lively going forward at times. CW is just out of his depth now and I can't be bothered to listen to the same old b**lsh*t excuses time after time. He picks the team, he picks the formation, he selects the tactics, he makes the substitutions.We were slugish, predictable and boring. Also don't forget we were against 10 men for around 25 minutes! get used to playing in front of 4000 fans come the end of the season. I really fear for our league status with our current managenment team. Ian Lenegan - do the right thing - call him in to the office and relieve him of his duties. WILDER OUT!

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adlibber says...
7:38pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Big Yellow Laugh
whatever you say has to be balanced against results and despite your patronising of opposing views the league table doesn't lie. Wilder is responsible for the team he picks and if players don't perform then he changes the team - not rocket science is it? The squad is largely Wilder's making so he has to accept it's his responsibility. We are as poor now as we were at end of last season and we have no chance of promotion if we continue under wilder. I find it breathtaking you can defend Wilder given the lamentable performances and our inconsistency is haunting us yet again. Wilder has had plenty of time to get it right and he's failed. Crowds are falling and we're losing to teams we should be beating.

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oldun says...
7:44pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Glories? At United? Third in the Conference - won a four team knockout. Had plenty of time - his signings

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philwhiteheadisgod says...
8:17pm Wed 7 Nov 12

adlibber wrote:
Big Yellow Laugh
whatever you say has to be balanced against results and despite your patronising of opposing views the league table doesn't lie. Wilder is responsible for the team he picks and if players don't perform then he changes the team - not rocket science is it? The squad is largely Wilder's making so he has to accept it's his responsibility. We are as poor now as we were at end of last season and we have no chance of promotion if we continue under wilder. I find it breathtaking you can defend Wilder given the lamentable performances and our inconsistency is haunting us yet again. Wilder has had plenty of time to get it right and he's failed. Crowds are falling and we're losing to teams we should be beating.

Here, here

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oldun says...
8:30pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Hear! Hear!

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philwhiteheadisgod says...
9:01pm Wed 7 Nov 12

oldun wrote:
Hear! Hear!

sorry, but you get the idea. WILDER OUT!

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OxRoxBox says...
9:41pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Oldun am I your love child?

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oldun says...
10:57pm Wed 7 Nov 12

Not with your looks

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hawkeye1 says...
7:20am Thu 8 Nov 12

It is becoming more clearer now why Kelvin walked away.

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BigYellowScarf says...
10:23am Thu 8 Nov 12

adlibber wrote:
Big Yellow Laugh
whatever you say has to be balanced against results and despite your patronising of opposing views the league table doesn't lie. Wilder is responsible for the team he picks and if players don't perform then he changes the team - not rocket science is it? The squad is largely Wilder's making so he has to accept it's his responsibility. We are as poor now as we were at end of last season and we have no chance of promotion if we continue under wilder. I find it breathtaking you can defend Wilder given the lamentable performances and our inconsistency is haunting us yet again. Wilder has had plenty of time to get it right and he's failed. Crowds are falling and we're losing to teams we should be beating.

"The league table doesn't lie". Nice one - I seem to remember you recently knocking CW for his use of cliches. "If players don't perform then he changes the team" - at what point exactly? A week or so ago all the CW Out Brigade were going on at him to stick with the side and formation that had had a few good results, and apart from enforced changes he's done that. Now, wise after the event as ever, you're insisting the opposite. Do you seriously imagine he won't make changes for Saturday? "The squad is largely Wilder's making so he has to accept it's his responsibility" - what does that even mean? IMHO he's assembled a very decent squad (like everyone there are players I rate much more highly than others and I often disagree about his selection, but that's true of every squad I can ever remember), capable as we all know of playing far better than they did on Tuesday, and THEY have to take responsibility for what they do when they cross the line. I don't subscribe to the Cult of the Manager, a relatively recent phenomenon which is sadly taking over the world and is symptomatic of an even more depressingly childlike trend.

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oldun says...
10:41am Thu 8 Nov 12

BYS - Obviously . the League table can't lie how could it) . Not pleasant reading is it? . CW must not change the formation - he must stick with 442 - rather than his obsessive (until he got desperate ). Chapman is not one to play wide in a 442 . I have applauded god performances by United but the League table shows that we must rise many many places before I am happy - top three - fourth place gives 'only' a place in the lottery of the play offs .

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oldun says...
10:43am Thu 8 Nov 12

Rating of CWs management since Jan - excellent, very good, good, average, poor, very poor or awful - I rate it as very poor - what do you say BYS ? And you others?

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Flipmode says...
11:00am Thu 8 Nov 12

RAAAAARRRRRRGH

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OxRoxBox says...
11:07am Thu 8 Nov 12

Oldun I rate as very poor too.

BYS the Manager is the Leader - its not a "cult" as you put it. The Leader makes the call and if he cannot get the best from the players ofr whatever reason then he must accept responsibility - take the plaudits and the pay for good play/good results and vice versa. Man management is what it is all about so when the players pull on the Yellow shirt they do so with pride and perform to the Managers' instructions not random hoofball?

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OxRoxBox says...
11:07am Thu 8 Nov 12

Oldun I rate as very poor too.

BYS the Manager is the Leader - its not a "cult" as you put it. The Leader makes the call and if he cannot get the best from the players ofr whatever reason then he must accept responsibility - take the plaudits and the pay for good play/good results and vice versa. Man management is what it is all about so when the players pull on the Yellow shirt they do so with pride and perform to the Managers' instructions not random hoofball?

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BigYellowScarf says...
11:44am Thu 8 Nov 12

oldun wrote:
Rating of CWs management since Jan - excellent, very good, good, average, poor, very poor or awful - I rate it as very poor - what do you say BYS ? And you others?

Stick to the subject and I might bother to reply. Reduce it to this pathetic, simplistic level and I'll get on with something more interesting.

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OxRoxBox says...
11:55am Thu 8 Nov 12

BYS - that is your perogative. We all have an opinion and they all differ that is what a forum is all about after all?
I agree more with Oldun more than you on this topic - the question is not an easy one to answer - how long do you put up with the excuses is really, in my opinion, the key here?

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oldun says...
12:47pm Thu 8 Nov 12

BYS - what subject ??? Hope that you are not gonna sit on that big fence - also hope that you are in no way arrogant or dismissive

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oldun says...
12:47pm Thu 8 Nov 12

BYS - what subject ??? Hope that you are not gonna sit on that big fence - also hope that you are in no way arrogant or dismissive

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Doctor69 says...
1:16pm Thu 8 Nov 12

I respect everyones views, but im really struggling to understand how people can still defend CW? The results this season, coupled with the majority of performances have been woeful. Thats not even thinking about last seasons shocking end!

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Doctor69 says...
1:18pm Thu 8 Nov 12

oldun wrote:
Rating of CWs management since Jan - excellent, very good, good, average, poor, very poor or awful - I rate it as very poor - what do you say BYS ? And you others?

I would go with poor, but say the results have been very poor bordering awful. If you take out the 2 games against Swindon we really havent had a lot to get excited about in 2012!

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oldun says...
1:21pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Doctor69 - how would you rate CWs management since January - on the simplistic scale which I suggested. The other fellow may not deign me with his opinion - neither he nor I will lose sleep over that one. I wonder does anyone rate it as average (or better than that)

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BigYellowScarf says...
1:32pm Thu 8 Nov 12

oldun wrote:
BYS - what subject ??? Hope that you are not gonna sit on that big fence - also hope that you are in no way arrogant or dismissive

Hi oldun. If you look back you'll see you didn't address a single point in my previous post. You just invite some crass, simplistic 'vote' on CW's performance, and drone on about league position as if no one had ever thought of that before, and as if a top three place isn't what we all (and the management and squad) want. No, I'm neither arrogant nor dismissive, just tired of reading simplistic drivel. And that's not dismissive - it's fully considered. Of course you're entitled to your opinion, and there are many more ways than one of looking at everything. I try and consider them all.

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oldun says...
1:41pm Thu 8 Nov 12

BYS - tired of reading my simplistic drivel are you. Engage gigantic brain with this - just an idea for your towering intellect to spent a while deliberating over - " don't waste valuable time away from higher thought - don't read oldun's simplistic drivel " . I won't be reading any of your postings either. Have a great day - life can be fun

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OxRoxBox says...
2:03pm Thu 8 Nov 12

Football is about results - hopefully positive ones achieved in fine style and regularly.
Despite some opinion that the Manager is not responsible he is the one who pulls the strings and psyches and gees up the players. Even if you have only played football at a school boy level the Coach/teacher/manage
r whatever would do that before, during and after each game.
If our current squad is as exceptional as some say then it can ONLY be the Manager who cannot find those motivational and tactical techniques to steer us through this sorry mess?
Or we settle for mid to lower table mediocrity and declining crowds and revenues. A downward spiral.

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bigchet says...
4:26pm Thu 8 Nov 12

accept that it was a very poor performance on tues ,but as anyone can tell you that has played the game some days it all goes right and on other days it all goes wrong and the harder you try the worse it gets. the barca v celtic game was a prime example of probably the best club team in the world today being undone from a set piece and a simple through ball by a hard working but less than brilliant celtic side. on the night we were well beaten by a daggers side that simply played much better on the night so we just have to bite the bullet and move on and raise our game to get the points on sat.

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