Traders caught out in tobacco sting

Almost a quarter of cigarette vendors tested in a sting operation sold tobacco to children, but Oxfordshire County Council is refusing to say which ones.

Oxfordshire Trading Standards has revealed that in the 2011 to 2012 financial year, 37 shops in the county were tested and nine, or 24 per cent, sold cigarettes to someone under the age of 18.

Four pubs with vending machines were also tested, and two allowed underage people to use them.

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12:16pm Thu 29 Nov 12

snert says...

I have seen these sting operations and they often send in someone that is not obviously underage. Assessing someones age and getting it wrong cannot be a crime. If you're not sure, then go ahead an ask but if you have no doubt in your mind that they're above age then should you be guilty of a crime?

Also, cigarette vending machines are a bit different in that they are not often monitored. I hardly expect the people in the pub said "Yeah go ahead and use it" knowing they were under age. If the pub explicitly people under 18 in then the underage person has committed an offence by entering. If the pub allows people under 18 to enter then the pub must do what it can to prevent them from drinking or using the fruit machines and cigarette machines. If the machine is out of site of the bar then it should be repositioned or the cigarette machine should be behind the bar.
I have seen these sting operations and they often send in someone that is not obviously underage. Assessing someones age and getting it wrong cannot be a crime. If you're not sure, then go ahead an ask but if you have no doubt in your mind that they're above age then should you be guilty of a crime? Also, cigarette vending machines are a bit different in that they are not often monitored. I hardly expect the people in the pub said "Yeah go ahead and use it" knowing they were under age. If the pub explicitly people under 18 in then the underage person has committed an offence by entering. If the pub allows people under 18 to enter then the pub must do what it can to prevent them from drinking or using the fruit machines and cigarette machines. If the machine is out of site of the bar then it should be repositioned or the cigarette machine should be behind the bar. snert
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2:23pm Thu 29 Nov 12

lfcaware says...

My wife (32) is always asked for I.D, much to her pleasure. If the shops/pubs do not I.D people when unsure, they rightly leave themselves open to prosecution. OCC and Trading Standards refuse to name and shame !!!, so why bother us with stats ?.
My wife (32) is always asked for I.D, much to her pleasure. If the shops/pubs do not I.D people when unsure, they rightly leave themselves open to prosecution. OCC and Trading Standards refuse to name and shame !!!, so why bother us with stats ?. lfcaware
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4:20pm Thu 29 Nov 12

iklhik says...

The point is that TS should be testing if shops are selling to underage kids by using someone who clearly looks 17 - if they still sell, then prosecute them to the fullest extent possible.

Sad fact is, having had a "test purchase" conducted on me for alcohol, they deliberately use people who look much older and also dress them to look older - in my case a plaid shirt and beige coat (how many 17 year olds wear that). I always ID anyone who looks younger than 25 but I wouldn't have IDed the test purchaser except that they acted very suspiciously.
The point is that TS should be testing if shops are selling to underage kids by using someone who clearly looks 17 - if they still sell, then prosecute them to the fullest extent possible. Sad fact is, having had a "test purchase" conducted on me for alcohol, they deliberately use people who look much older and also dress them to look older - in my case a plaid shirt and beige coat (how many 17 year olds wear that). I always ID anyone who looks younger than 25 but I wouldn't have IDed the test purchaser except that they acted very suspiciously. iklhik
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12:12am Fri 30 Nov 12

lfcaware says...

iklhik wrote:
The point is that TS should be testing if shops are selling to underage kids by using someone who clearly looks 17 - if they still sell, then prosecute them to the fullest extent possible.

Sad fact is, having had a "test purchase" conducted on me for alcohol, they deliberately use people who look much older and also dress them to look older - in my case a plaid shirt and beige coat (how many 17 year olds wear that). I always ID anyone who looks younger than 25 but I wouldn't have IDed the test purchaser except that they acted very suspiciously.
If only all acted as you we could forget these farcical tests.
[quote][p][bold]iklhik[/bold] wrote: The point is that TS should be testing if shops are selling to underage kids by using someone who clearly looks 17 - if they still sell, then prosecute them to the fullest extent possible. Sad fact is, having had a "test purchase" conducted on me for alcohol, they deliberately use people who look much older and also dress them to look older - in my case a plaid shirt and beige coat (how many 17 year olds wear that). I always ID anyone who looks younger than 25 but I wouldn't have IDed the test purchaser except that they acted very suspiciously.[/p][/quote]If only all acted as you we could forget these farcical tests. lfcaware
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11:05am Fri 30 Nov 12

Marco00 says...

Why not Name and Shame the offenders. That way we can all see who is doing it, instead of stories and inuendoes.
Why not Name and Shame the offenders. That way we can all see who is doing it, instead of stories and inuendoes. Marco00
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