‘These crossings will only worsen traffic congestion’

The Oxford Times: Cllr Samantha Bowring and Cllr Neil Fawcett at the existing crossing. Picture: OX64771 Antony Moore Buy this photo » Cllr Samantha Bowring and Cllr Neil Fawcett at the existing crossing. Picture: OX64771 Antony Moore

TWO planned pedestrian crossings in Abingdon designed to ease traffic congestion would do exactly the opposite, a county councillor has claimed.

The new crossings proposed for Ock Street and Marcham Road have been devised to help the town’s road network cope with extra vehicles from a 160-home estate to be built on land off Drayton Road.

But county councillor Neil Fawcett is objecting to the plans because he believes they would increase traffic congestion, particularly in Ock Street.

Highway chiefs have launched a public consultation into the crossings, which have been designed so that pedestrians using them would break up the flow of traffic in and out of Abingdon at rush hour, allowing queueing cars in Drayton Road to enter the flow more easily.

But Mr Fawcett, who represents the Abingdon South division, said: “The theory behind the positioning of the two crossings is that they will allow traffic to flow more freely from Drayton Road, easing congestion.

“But I believe the crossings will almost certainly hold up traffic on Ock Street heading towards the Marcham interchange and I am not convinced it will help reduce traffic queues in Drayton Road.”

The scheme for the homes on land behind Virginia Way was rejected by Vale of White Horse District Council a year ago but developer Hallam won an appeal in July, with Government planning inspector John Watson setting a condition that before any houses were built, work must begin on the crossings to help reduce congestion.

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Mr Fawcett said: “The Hallam scheme could not go ahead without the county council giving permission for the crossings to be built, but the council has to consider the crossings on their own merits.

“At certain times of the day traffic already backs up the length of Ock Street and the crossings could add to congestion in the town centre.”

As part of the crossings plan, the existing pelican crossing on the Marcham Road side of the Spring Road/Drayton Road/Ock Street/Marcham Road double roundabout would be moved 60 metres further along Marcham Road.

Drayton resident Anthea Eno described the plan for the crossings as “absurd”.

She said the crossing in Ock Street was not intended to benefit pedestrians, and added: “If the intended beneficiaries are drivers on the Drayton Road travelling towards the roundabout, this proposal makes the astounding error of not taking into account drivers wishing to turn right at the roundabout.

“Clearly a new pelican crossing 25 metres down Ock Street from the roundabout would cause virtual standstill on the roundabout whenever a vehicle or two wishes to turn right and is held up at the pelican crossing.

“A standstill on the roundabout would create even greater gridlock than exists already at peak times on Drayton Road, Marcham Road and Ock Street.”

According to the planning inspector, Hallam cannot begin construction on the homes until Oxfordshire County Council confirms that pedestrian crossings will be created and, before the crossings can be approved, the county must complete the public consultation.

The deadline for residents to respond to the consultation is Friday, February 7.

County council spokesman Martin Crabtree said: “The responses to the consultation are due to be considered at the county council’s cabinet member for environment decisions meeting on March 27.

“If the proposals were to be approved at this meeting, at present we cannot give any indication of when these specific works would start, but there would be a three-month lead-in period before construction would begin.”

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4:19pm Thu 23 Jan 14

EMBOX2 says...

Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd.

That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout.

As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout.
Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd. That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout. As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout. EMBOX2

5:37pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gunslinger says...

The CC has to be very careful with this application.
If they reject it out of hand, or just 'because residents don't like it' they would almost certainly be faced with a judicial review from the developer, having previously agreed at the time of the appeal that these crossings would do the trick.
There needs to be hard technical evidence as to precisely what the impact would be, not just anecdote. Extra congestion in Ock Street by itself won't do it; however if it could be proved that this would lead to increased NO levels outside legal limits..... Or the impact on pedestrians of moving the existing crossing, given the reasons it was put there in the first place (travel to school, etc)
The CC has to be very careful with this application. If they reject it out of hand, or just 'because residents don't like it' they would almost certainly be faced with a judicial review from the developer, having previously agreed at the time of the appeal that these crossings would do the trick. There needs to be hard technical evidence as to precisely what the impact would be, not just anecdote. Extra congestion in Ock Street by itself won't do it; however if it could be proved that this would lead to increased NO levels outside legal limits..... Or the impact on pedestrians of moving the existing crossing, given the reasons it was put there in the first place (travel to school, etc) Gunslinger

8:17pm Thu 23 Jan 14

faatmaan says...

again a primary road is having to be sacrificed for the minority coming in on the drayton road, perhaps potential developers should be made to include positive constructive schemes part of any present and future planning developments, people use cars full stop, there is not point being in denial, Busses only take you half your journey at times they decide, perhaps removing unnecessary traffic from the streets of Abingdon, like putting a holding area for taxis into the top of the Charter car park , removing day time parking on ock st and creating a tidal lane or two for use at peak times , definitely do away with the double mini roundabout at the drayton road/ock st junction, too much traffic is always crossing the flow (or lack of it). encourage traffic to use outer ring roads, perhaps even block off certain roads in the centre, may push traffic taking rat runs through Abingdon on to more suitable roads. a second or even third junction onto the A34 might help, but whichever way you look at it, it is going to cost big, and as te roads speed up, more traffic will start using them again !
again a primary road is having to be sacrificed for the minority coming in on the drayton road, perhaps potential developers should be made to include positive constructive schemes part of any present and future planning developments, people use cars full stop, there is not point being in denial, Busses only take you half your journey at times they decide, perhaps removing unnecessary traffic from the streets of Abingdon, like putting a holding area for taxis into the top of the Charter car park , removing day time parking on ock st and creating a tidal lane or two for use at peak times , definitely do away with the double mini roundabout at the drayton road/ock st junction, too much traffic is always crossing the flow (or lack of it). encourage traffic to use outer ring roads, perhaps even block off certain roads in the centre, may push traffic taking rat runs through Abingdon on to more suitable roads. a second or even third junction onto the A34 might help, but whichever way you look at it, it is going to cost big, and as te roads speed up, more traffic will start using them again ! faatmaan

9:31pm Thu 23 Jan 14

abersstu says...

how about a pedestrian bridge?
how about a pedestrian bridge? abersstu

10:41pm Thu 23 Jan 14

Gunslinger says...

EMBOX2 wrote:
Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd.

That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout.

As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout.
A fully signalled junction would do the job, and give each approach equal priority in getting through the junction, also allow pedestrians to get across.

I understand this was considered at the time of ABITS, but discounted presumably because it would increase congestion and queuing in Ock Street and Marcham Road. If this was not acceptable then, it is difficult to see why a scheme with a similar effect should be now.
[quote][p][bold]EMBOX2[/bold] wrote: Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd. That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout. As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout.[/p][/quote]A fully signalled junction would do the job, and give each approach equal priority in getting through the junction, also allow pedestrians to get across. I understand this was considered at the time of ABITS, but discounted presumably because it would increase congestion and queuing in Ock Street and Marcham Road. If this was not acceptable then, it is difficult to see why a scheme with a similar effect should be now. Gunslinger

10:47pm Thu 23 Jan 14

JET999 says...

It is shame that this article does not show a map of the exact locations of the crossings or how to find out further information or how to respond to the public consultation. I worry about all the children who use the existing crossing to get to school, will they want to walk further along the road.
It is shame that this article does not show a map of the exact locations of the crossings or how to find out further information or how to respond to the public consultation. I worry about all the children who use the existing crossing to get to school, will they want to walk further along the road. JET999

11:18pm Thu 23 Jan 14

doozer says...

Jett999:

Any objections should be made by 7 February 2014 by email to Anthony.Kirkwood@Oxf
ordshire.gov.uk

or by post to:
Anthony Kirkwood
Road Safety Engineering Team
Oxfordshire County Council
Speedwell House
Speedwell Street
Oxford
OX1 1NE

The decision is likely to be made on 27th March.
Jett999: Any objections should be made by 7 February 2014 by email to Anthony.Kirkwood@Oxf ordshire.gov.uk or by post to: Anthony Kirkwood Road Safety Engineering Team Oxfordshire County Council Speedwell House Speedwell Street Oxford OX1 1NE The decision is likely to be made on 27th March. doozer

9:32am Fri 24 Jan 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

Gunslinger wrote:
EMBOX2 wrote:
Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd.

That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout.

As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout.
A fully signalled junction would do the job, and give each approach equal priority in getting through the junction, also allow pedestrians to get across.

I understand this was considered at the time of ABITS, but discounted presumably because it would increase congestion and queuing in Ock Street and Marcham Road. If this was not acceptable then, it is difficult to see why a scheme with a similar effect should be now.
I think the only conclusion that we can draw from ABITS is its a failed, costly experiment that has done nothing to improve congestion.
[quote][p][bold]Gunslinger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EMBOX2[/bold] wrote: Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd. That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout. As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout.[/p][/quote]A fully signalled junction would do the job, and give each approach equal priority in getting through the junction, also allow pedestrians to get across. I understand this was considered at the time of ABITS, but discounted presumably because it would increase congestion and queuing in Ock Street and Marcham Road. If this was not acceptable then, it is difficult to see why a scheme with a similar effect should be now.[/p][/quote]I think the only conclusion that we can draw from ABITS is its a failed, costly experiment that has done nothing to improve congestion. yabbadabbadoo256

10:08am Fri 24 Jan 14

Gunslinger says...

JET999 wrote:
It is shame that this article does not show a map of the exact locations of the crossings or how to find out further information or how to respond to the public consultation. I worry about all the children who use the existing crossing to get to school, will they want to walk further along the road.
See the following. Agree it is a pity the paper don't show it.
http://www.abingdonb
log.co.uk/?p=10598
[quote][p][bold]JET999[/bold] wrote: It is shame that this article does not show a map of the exact locations of the crossings or how to find out further information or how to respond to the public consultation. I worry about all the children who use the existing crossing to get to school, will they want to walk further along the road.[/p][/quote]See the following. Agree it is a pity the paper don't show it. http://www.abingdonb log.co.uk/?p=10598 Gunslinger

12:53pm Fri 24 Jan 14

Kennys hat says...

All the crossing will do is filter traffic down Ock street to ensure there's cars stopping traffic leaving Drayton road all the time, thus making the problem worse not better.

by the way, how do you get a job as a planning appeals inspector? you can pluck ideas from the sky and there's no come back if they turn out not to work.
All the crossing will do is filter traffic down Ock street to ensure there's cars stopping traffic leaving Drayton road all the time, thus making the problem worse not better. by the way, how do you get a job as a planning appeals inspector? you can pluck ideas from the sky and there's no come back if they turn out not to work. Kennys hat

1:36pm Fri 24 Jan 14

abingdonguy says...

yabbadabbadoo256 wrote:
Gunslinger wrote:
EMBOX2 wrote: Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd. That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout. As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout.
A fully signalled junction would do the job, and give each approach equal priority in getting through the junction, also allow pedestrians to get across. I understand this was considered at the time of ABITS, but discounted presumably because it would increase congestion and queuing in Ock Street and Marcham Road. If this was not acceptable then, it is difficult to see why a scheme with a similar effect should be now.
I think the only conclusion that we can draw from ABITS is its a failed, costly experiment that has done nothing to improve congestion.
Agreed Steve king said the same thing When it was introduced. the idea was put in place by your car loving head of OCC Ian Huspeth. Nothing that guy touches ever goes right.

There's more on this in the Abingdon Blog

http://www.abingdonb
log.co.uk/?paged=2
[quote][p][bold]yabbadabbadoo256[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Gunslinger[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EMBOX2[/bold] wrote: Abingdon traffic is a nightmare in peak hours. The biggest problem is the "magic roundabout" at the junction of Ock St, Drayton Rd and Spring Rd. That needs to be replaced with a single roundabout. As for crossings, the people quoted are right. It will cause utter gridlock having a crossing on Ock St near the roundabout.[/p][/quote]A fully signalled junction would do the job, and give each approach equal priority in getting through the junction, also allow pedestrians to get across. I understand this was considered at the time of ABITS, but discounted presumably because it would increase congestion and queuing in Ock Street and Marcham Road. If this was not acceptable then, it is difficult to see why a scheme with a similar effect should be now.[/p][/quote]I think the only conclusion that we can draw from ABITS is its a failed, costly experiment that has done nothing to improve congestion.[/p][/quote]Agreed Steve king said the same thing When it was introduced. the idea was put in place by your car loving head of OCC Ian Huspeth. Nothing that guy touches ever goes right. There's more on this in the Abingdon Blog http://www.abingdonb log.co.uk/?paged=2 abingdonguy

8:03am Sat 25 Jan 14

steve king says...

Dear Mr Kirkham, I understand you are asking for comments on the proposed new crossings at Ock St? please find mine below?

For sure the two priorities are pedestrian safety and improving traffic flow? and I sincerely believe this is an opportunity to cater for both, providing its not done on the cheap !

Moving the crossing further along the Marcham Rd might improve the flow off of the junction slightly, but wouldn't impact negatively on the junction, however, I believe if Larknead School could be persuaded to open a proper rear exit/entrance along Copenhagen Drive, the majority of children who cross here could then get to school via the police station where there is already a decent foot path/cycle way, it's a shorter and safer route.

Ock St crossing, this could be the goose that lays the golden egg?

It needs to be a two stage, independent crossing with a "sanctuary Island" in the middle. the crossing on the south side needs to be as close to the junction as possible, thus stopping any "chance crossing" of a quicker route, but more importantly a red light would act as an intermittent traffic regulator and significantly improve the flow across the junction from the other three routes.

The "sanctuary island" needs to be completely railed off, thus preventing any chance crossings away from the crossing (Similar to that at the Boundary House crossing) and it would need to be widened a slightly. The crossing from the island to the White Horse side needs to be as far along as possible (towards town) to allow for 5 or 6 queueing cars, (the green light time at Coxeter is 6 seconds and I would suggest this would be adequate here too?) I Think it vital that this crossing has two, completely independent operations.

Also, I believe traffic flow can be improved significantly by extending the two lane approach to the junction from town? there is a real pinch point opposite the chip shop where the single lane splits into two, by removing the two nibs of paving at the entrance to Tower Drive and extending the lav-by in front of the shop there all the way to Victoria Rd, you could double the queueing capacity at the junction and improve flow too?

With best intentions.

Steve King.
Dear Mr Kirkham, I understand you are asking for comments on the proposed new crossings at Ock St? please find mine below? For sure the two priorities are pedestrian safety and improving traffic flow? and I sincerely believe this is an opportunity to cater for both, providing its not done on the cheap ! Moving the crossing further along the Marcham Rd might improve the flow off of the junction slightly, but wouldn't impact negatively on the junction, however, I believe if Larknead School could be persuaded to open a proper rear exit/entrance along Copenhagen Drive, the majority of children who cross here could then get to school via the police station where there is already a decent foot path/cycle way, it's a shorter and safer route. Ock St crossing, this could be the goose that lays the golden egg? It needs to be a two stage, independent crossing with a "sanctuary Island" in the middle. the crossing on the south side needs to be as close to the junction as possible, thus stopping any "chance crossing" of a quicker route, but more importantly a red light would act as an intermittent traffic regulator and significantly improve the flow across the junction from the other three routes. The "sanctuary island" needs to be completely railed off, thus preventing any chance crossings away from the crossing (Similar to that at the Boundary House crossing) and it would need to be widened a slightly. The crossing from the island to the White Horse side needs to be as far along as possible (towards town) to allow for 5 or 6 queueing cars, (the green light time at Coxeter is 6 seconds and I would suggest this would be adequate here too?) I Think it vital that this crossing has two, completely independent operations. Also, I believe traffic flow can be improved significantly by extending the two lane approach to the junction from town? there is a real pinch point opposite the chip shop where the single lane splits into two, by removing the two nibs of paving at the entrance to Tower Drive and extending the lav-by in front of the shop there all the way to Victoria Rd, you could double the queueing capacity at the junction and improve flow too? With best intentions. Steve King. steve king

12:43pm Sat 25 Jan 14

Man on the Green says...

Cllr Fawcett's claims should be taken with a bucket of salt. Having failed to declare a clearly prejudicial interest, he managed to overturn the experts' recommendations to close the Iron Bridge onto St Helen's Wharf over the Ock Stream under the AbITS scheme. The results are there for all to see; continuing traffic congestion in central Abingdon, dangerous pollution levels (exactly as predicted in the suppressed environmental assessment report) and an ongoing drain of life and commerce from the centre of this lovely town.
Cllr Fawcett's claims should be taken with a bucket of salt. Having failed to declare a clearly prejudicial interest, he managed to overturn the experts' recommendations to close the Iron Bridge onto St Helen's Wharf over the Ock Stream under the AbITS scheme. The results are there for all to see; continuing traffic congestion in central Abingdon, dangerous pollution levels (exactly as predicted in the suppressed environmental assessment report) and an ongoing drain of life and commerce from the centre of this lovely town. Man on the Green

2:42pm Sat 25 Jan 14

TonyH says...

Some interesting comments on here, couple of odd ones too. Not sure why people think one big roundabout will work better than 2 mini ones at that junction. Similar large amounts of traffic. One of the councillors suggested that the road up from Drayton over the Ock could be 2 lanes? Nobody on here has mentioned the planning failure of Abingdon/Vale in NOT having a development plan, hence when the Inquiry Inspector made his decision he could point to that, wave the magic wand and say 'affordable housing', 'yes that's ok' - whether it is or isn't. Despite Govt saying many times 'local decisons for local people', all round the country supposedly independent inspectors (!!) have granted appeals saying that housing trumps everything. The developers in this case had all sorts of twaddle accepted as gospel (eg only about 40 something car movements in the morning rush hour, from 150+ homes?!!) and a timed peak wait of what was it, 9 mins to get to the junction? (this taken on a special sort of stopwatch?!). Given the blockage in Abingdon created by Thames & Ock, and only one river crossing, it's quite hard to see what major improvements in town traffic can be done, without a new crossing investment. But certainly 150+ homes in a silly position won't help! As for these pedestrian crossings, they're just tinkering and a sop to the objectors from the Inspector.
Some interesting comments on here, couple of odd ones too. Not sure why people think one big roundabout will work better than 2 mini ones at that junction. Similar large amounts of traffic. One of the councillors suggested that the road up from Drayton over the Ock could be 2 lanes? Nobody on here has mentioned the planning failure of Abingdon/Vale in NOT having a development plan, hence when the Inquiry Inspector made his decision he could point to that, wave the magic wand and say 'affordable housing', 'yes that's ok' - whether it is or isn't. Despite Govt saying many times 'local decisons for local people', all round the country supposedly independent inspectors (!!) have granted appeals saying that housing trumps everything. The developers in this case had all sorts of twaddle accepted as gospel (eg only about 40 something car movements in the morning rush hour, from 150+ homes?!!) and a timed peak wait of what was it, 9 mins to get to the junction? (this taken on a special sort of stopwatch?!). Given the blockage in Abingdon created by Thames & Ock, and only one river crossing, it's quite hard to see what major improvements in town traffic can be done, without a new crossing investment. But certainly 150+ homes in a silly position won't help! As for these pedestrian crossings, they're just tinkering and a sop to the objectors from the Inspector. TonyH

2:49pm Sat 25 Jan 14

steve king says...

Quite right Tony, for me (and I know its not in my back yard) the biggest disappointment about this scheme is that its on a site that could have been part of the promised seconderiver crossing? from the Culham rd, through here and on toward the A34, but coming out around Tesco. but this development will scupper that for sure.
Quite right Tony, for me (and I know its not in my back yard) the biggest disappointment about this scheme is that its on a site that could have been part of the promised seconderiver crossing? from the Culham rd, through here and on toward the A34, but coming out around Tesco. but this development will scupper that for sure. steve king

2:56pm Sat 25 Jan 14

TonyH says...

My OH uses this junction about 7.30am, she reckons a further issue to be looked at is re the McDonalds/Police Staion roundabout (room to put in a little 'cut-through' lane for those wanting to go straight on, who can now be blocked by those turning right) and the ped crossing by the hospital, which stays red to traffic for an inordinate amount of time. I recall being stuck on red at the ped crossing just down Drayton Rd from the junction in question; someone on a mobility scooter trugged gently up, went across, had almost disappeared from sight by the time the lights changed (& this not one of the speeding maniacs you see on these scooters!).
My OH uses this junction about 7.30am, she reckons a further issue to be looked at is re the McDonalds/Police Staion roundabout (room to put in a little 'cut-through' lane for those wanting to go straight on, who can now be blocked by those turning right) and the ped crossing by the hospital, which stays red to traffic for an inordinate amount of time. I recall being stuck on red at the ped crossing just down Drayton Rd from the junction in question; someone on a mobility scooter trugged gently up, went across, had almost disappeared from sight by the time the lights changed (& this not one of the speeding maniacs you see on these scooters!). TonyH

3:13pm Sat 25 Jan 14

steve king says...

Funny you should mention this Tony, I remember attending an Abit's meeting about 5 years ago now where (as part of the second stage) there was to be a "Jet Lane" established there, as you know there is a big chunk of land at the side of the roundabout which is a large footpath, the plans drawn up by OCC showed the footpath moved toward the wall and a single, straight on lane was to be built so Traffic going along Marcham Rd heading for the A34 had there own "by pass" lane, much like the new Hamburger roundabouts on the Ox ring road, the local councillor (you know who) promised the money (£180k from memory) was ring fenced for this project and it would be started in a few months, then the same old story, nothing happened and OCC said new E.U regulations meant there was not enough room to acommodate it, so it was scrapped and the so called ring fenced money was never to be seen again! That said, if you look at the actual plans in the section re 106 money on the Vales web site it does propose this scheme again, along with the new crossings
Funny you should mention this Tony, I remember attending an Abit's meeting about 5 years ago now where (as part of the second stage) there was to be a "Jet Lane" established there, as you know there is a big chunk of land at the side of the roundabout which is a large footpath, the plans drawn up by OCC showed the footpath moved toward the wall and a single, straight on lane was to be built so Traffic going along Marcham Rd heading for the A34 had there own "by pass" lane, much like the new Hamburger roundabouts on the Ox ring road, the local councillor (you know who) promised the money (£180k from memory) was ring fenced for this project and it would be started in a few months, then the same old story, nothing happened and OCC said new E.U regulations meant there was not enough room to acommodate it, so it was scrapped and the so called ring fenced money was never to be seen again! That said, if you look at the actual plans in the section re 106 money on the Vales web site it does propose this scheme again, along with the new crossings steve king

4:52pm Sat 25 Jan 14

yabbadabbadoo256 says...

the missing piece to the train wreck that is abingdon;s traffic problems is a proper RIng Road to carry any through traffic either west bound onto the A34 at Marcham - and even southbound towards Drayton - or Northbound onto the A34 at Abingdon north from the East end of Abingdon at Culham. and Likewise in reverse

Until this is actually done, you will keep having traffic problems in Abingdon
no matter how many crossings, traffic lights or ABITS schemes your throw at the issue. ultimately this is a cheap sticking plaster solution to the overall problem much like the whole ABITS scheme overall.
the missing piece to the train wreck that is abingdon;s traffic problems is a proper RIng Road to carry any through traffic either west bound onto the A34 at Marcham - and even southbound towards Drayton - or Northbound onto the A34 at Abingdon north from the East end of Abingdon at Culham. and Likewise in reverse Until this is actually done, you will keep having traffic problems in Abingdon no matter how many crossings, traffic lights or ABITS schemes your throw at the issue. ultimately this is a cheap sticking plaster solution to the overall problem much like the whole ABITS scheme overall. yabbadabbadoo256

1:47pm Tue 28 Jan 14

Abingdon Neil says...

@Man on the Green - 1 I have no prejudicial interest. 2 You are quite right that I opposed the closure of the Iron Bridge, one of only two roads out of south Abingdon. Had it been closed all the traffic that currently uses the Iron Bridge would be added to the long queues on the Drayton Road. Fell free to tell as many residents in south Abingdon as you like that I opposed closing it.
@Man on the Green - 1 I have no prejudicial interest. 2 You are quite right that I opposed the closure of the Iron Bridge, one of only two roads out of south Abingdon. Had it been closed all the traffic that currently uses the Iron Bridge would be added to the long queues on the Drayton Road. Fell free to tell as many residents in south Abingdon as you like that I opposed closing it. Abingdon Neil

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