Students complain: ‘Keep the bus noise down, we’re trying to study’

The Oxford Times: Medical student Bill Gewanter says his revision is being disturbed by diverted buses Medical student Bill Gewanter says his revision is being disturbed by diverted buses

STUDENTS are making a noise about the “catastrophic” impact a diverted bus route could have on their exam results.

The Oxford University students said the increased noise and bustle in Beaumont Street – as a result of the closure of nearby George Street – is keeping them awake and could distract them from their exams.

Worcester College medical student Bill Gewanter, 21, one of 23 students living in a college annexe in Beaumont Street, said: “The majority of students in the building have finals coming up in the next few weeks and the stops are active from very early in the morning through into the evening.

“This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.

“I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.”

Mr Gewanter, who lives on the first floor, also said passengers on double decker buses could now look directly into his bedroom.

Oxfordshire County Council agreed to divert buses via Beaumont Street so construction firm ISG Ltd can complete building work in George Street. The work, due to continue for another three weeks, means temporary bus stops have been set up in Beaumont Street.

Six Stagecoach Oxfordshire services are being rerouted because of the work.

County council spokesman Owen Morton said: “Temporary arrangements of this nature are inevitably going to cause a certain amount of disruption and inconvenience for residents, as well as bus users and pedestrians. We understand the concerns of students and other residents living close to the temporary stops. However, given the need for an accessible, city centre location, Beaumont Street was identified as the best available option for the temporary stops and to position them elsewhere – including within the street itself – would be likely to cause similar inconvenience for other residents.”

Worcester College domestic bursar Tim Lightfoot said: “We have been in contact with the local authorities to try to see what can be done.

“We are obviously very conscious to the disruption this is causing at a senstive time of year and we are actively trying to find a solution to the problem.

“Obviously we were aware of the work that is taking place locally but not of the arrangements to move the bus stops.

“We have had to react to the situation and we are doing all we can to support our students.”

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7:07am Tue 20 May 14

HomerSimpsonDoh says...

That's it then, the buses will be rerouted as we know, what the University wants, it gets. However it's all right for the drunken noisy students to keep everyone awake the rest of the year. Now I know it's annoying them, I will be riding my noisy motorbike past the college most nights now.
That's it then, the buses will be rerouted as we know, what the University wants, it gets. However it's all right for the drunken noisy students to keep everyone awake the rest of the year. Now I know it's annoying them, I will be riding my noisy motorbike past the college most nights now. HomerSimpsonDoh
  • Score: 51

7:29am Tue 20 May 14

norton manor says...

Do the residents of Oxford give a flying f*** about the feelings of the selfish student population that reside in Oxford, I don't. You lot don't mind disrupting the lives of locals with your behaviour when it suits you lot.
Do the residents of Oxford give a flying f*** about the feelings of the selfish student population that reside in Oxford, I don't. You lot don't mind disrupting the lives of locals with your behaviour when it suits you lot. norton manor
  • Score: 39

8:05am Tue 20 May 14

tinsel84 says...

I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants. tinsel84
  • Score: -48

8:10am Tue 20 May 14

tinsel84 says...

Anyway I thought all was good now because we have these new "hybrid" buses in town . Oh silly me, now I remember that they run on electricity for about 3 metres then the proper (sorry, I mean diesel) engine has to kick in for that a tricky bump in the road or the 5 degree incline to get onto a bridge! ;)
Anyway I thought all was good now because we have these new "hybrid" buses in town . Oh silly me, now I remember that they run on electricity for about 3 metres then the proper (sorry, I mean diesel) engine has to kick in for that a tricky bump in the road or the 5 degree incline to get onto a bridge! ;) tinsel84
  • Score: 2

9:13am Tue 20 May 14

HomerSimpsonDoh says...

Yep, being a manager of my own firm, must be a crappy job! The fact is, its's always a one way thing with students. Do they give a toss when they are coming home drunk and loud in the early hours of the morning while some of us are trying to get to sleep ready for a hard days graft. As for road sweepers and shop assistants, what a snobbish comment. I guess you clear all your rubbish and never go to any shops. Typical Tory student toff.
Yep, being a manager of my own firm, must be a crappy job! The fact is, its's always a one way thing with students. Do they give a toss when they are coming home drunk and loud in the early hours of the morning while some of us are trying to get to sleep ready for a hard days graft. As for road sweepers and shop assistants, what a snobbish comment. I guess you clear all your rubbish and never go to any shops. Typical Tory student toff. HomerSimpsonDoh
  • Score: 37

9:15am Tue 20 May 14

thomashenry says...

My heart bleeds for them.
My heart bleeds for them. thomashenry
  • Score: 19

9:23am Tue 20 May 14

EMBOX2 says...

Serves you right for waking me up at 3am for years when I lived off Cowley Road. When you've got kids and a full time job, you might understand why sleep is so important.
Serves you right for waking me up at 3am for years when I lived off Cowley Road. When you've got kids and a full time job, you might understand why sleep is so important. EMBOX2
  • Score: 32

10:18am Tue 20 May 14

oufcboyce says...

He's clearly an entitled little sod having a whinge for the sake of it. If you want peace and quiet don't live down a street with a 200 bedroom Hotel, an Internationally renowned Museum and a busy Theatre all within 2 minutes walk of each other.

"Catastrophic" could perhaps be coined in response to having your house burnt down or having to leave your home due to a war kicking off. Not when a few buses are re-routed down your street for a couple of weeks.
He's clearly an entitled little sod having a whinge for the sake of it. If you want peace and quiet don't live down a street with a 200 bedroom Hotel, an Internationally renowned Museum and a busy Theatre all within 2 minutes walk of each other. "Catastrophic" could perhaps be coined in response to having your house burnt down or having to leave your home due to a war kicking off. Not when a few buses are re-routed down your street for a couple of weeks. oufcboyce
  • Score: 32

10:35am Tue 20 May 14

AylesburyOx says...

Didn't read the article, didn't have to. I just jumped straight to the bottom of the page to the student bashing.

Glad to see the 'Town' vs. 'Gown' element hasn't diminished these past 500 odd years.

Headline Oxford Mail May 20th 2114 'Students upset by teleporter noise'

Comments:
Oxfordbornandbred 'If you don't like it then you can p-off you pompous little git'

Cowleyroadlad 'I see the 'have's' are upset by us 'have nots' again - pathetic'

DCameronesq 'When my great great great grandfather studied in Oxford he was impressed by how respectful the locals were of the charming and humble student population'

HeadingtonGeezer '^ ^ ^ 'F**k off'

OUFC1986 ‘Lenagan out’
Didn't read the article, didn't have to. I just jumped straight to the bottom of the page to the student bashing. Glad to see the 'Town' vs. 'Gown' element hasn't diminished these past 500 odd years. Headline Oxford Mail May 20th 2114 'Students upset by teleporter noise' Comments: Oxfordbornandbred 'If you don't like it then you can p-off you pompous little git' Cowleyroadlad 'I see the 'have's' are upset by us 'have nots' again - pathetic' DCameronesq 'When my great great great grandfather studied in Oxford he was impressed by how respectful the locals were of the charming and humble student population' HeadingtonGeezer '^ ^ ^ 'F**k off' OUFC1986 ‘Lenagan out’ AylesburyOx
  • Score: 27

10:57am Tue 20 May 14

thomashenry says...

AylesburyOx wrote:
Didn't read the article, didn't have to. I just jumped straight to the bottom of the page to the student bashing.

Glad to see the 'Town' vs. 'Gown' element hasn't diminished these past 500 odd years.

Headline Oxford Mail May 20th 2114 'Students upset by teleporter noise'

Comments:
Oxfordbornandbred 'If you don't like it then you can p-off you pompous little git'

Cowleyroadlad 'I see the 'have's' are upset by us 'have nots' again - pathetic'

DCameronesq 'When my great great great grandfather studied in Oxford he was impressed by how respectful the locals were of the charming and humble student population'

HeadingtonGeezer '^ ^ ^ 'F**k off'

OUFC1986 ‘Lenagan out’
I'm not interested in student bashing, having spent much of my time in Oxford as a student.

This is a pathetic whinge though.
[quote][p][bold]AylesburyOx[/bold] wrote: Didn't read the article, didn't have to. I just jumped straight to the bottom of the page to the student bashing. Glad to see the 'Town' vs. 'Gown' element hasn't diminished these past 500 odd years. Headline Oxford Mail May 20th 2114 'Students upset by teleporter noise' Comments: Oxfordbornandbred 'If you don't like it then you can p-off you pompous little git' Cowleyroadlad 'I see the 'have's' are upset by us 'have nots' again - pathetic' DCameronesq 'When my great great great grandfather studied in Oxford he was impressed by how respectful the locals were of the charming and humble student population' HeadingtonGeezer '^ ^ ^ 'F**k off' OUFC1986 ‘Lenagan out’[/p][/quote]I'm not interested in student bashing, having spent much of my time in Oxford as a student. This is a pathetic whinge though. thomashenry
  • Score: 13

11:01am Tue 20 May 14

Canismajoris says...

@tinsel84
I have the utmost respect for road sweepers and bin-men, try living in a city without them.
@tinsel84 I have the utmost respect for road sweepers and bin-men, try living in a city without them. Canismajoris
  • Score: 35

11:02am Tue 20 May 14

oxfordgirl1974 says...

Cheeky gits - the buses have been using that route a lot longer than this particular bunch of students has been here. Who the heck do they think they are? Seriously, of all the petty things to moan about. I wonder if the students ever use the buses? Grrr.
Cheeky gits - the buses have been using that route a lot longer than this particular bunch of students has been here. Who the heck do they think they are? Seriously, of all the petty things to moan about. I wonder if the students ever use the buses? Grrr. oxfordgirl1974
  • Score: 19

11:04am Tue 20 May 14

oxfordgirl1974 says...

oxfordgirl1974 wrote:
Cheeky gits - the buses have been using that route a lot longer than this particular bunch of students has been here. Who the heck do they think they are? Seriously, of all the petty things to moan about. I wonder if the students ever use the buses? Grrr.
What I meant to say was that the buses have been using Oxford's roads, not this route, longer than these students have been here. Can't they just accept that not everything is about them?! Where I live I have to put up with all kinds of vehicles going past day and night. Tough, it's just how it is.
[quote][p][bold]oxfordgirl1974[/bold] wrote: Cheeky gits - the buses have been using that route a lot longer than this particular bunch of students has been here. Who the heck do they think they are? Seriously, of all the petty things to moan about. I wonder if the students ever use the buses? Grrr.[/p][/quote]What I meant to say was that the buses have been using Oxford's roads, not this route, longer than these students have been here. Can't they just accept that not everything is about them?! Where I live I have to put up with all kinds of vehicles going past day and night. Tough, it's just how it is. oxfordgirl1974
  • Score: 18

11:04am Tue 20 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

Should have done more work during the rest of the year, instead of partying into the early hours...........Many a time I've been woken up by the inconsiderate hooray Henrys
Should have done more work during the rest of the year, instead of partying into the early hours...........Many a time I've been woken up by the inconsiderate hooray Henrys Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 16

11:30am Tue 20 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

“This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.

“I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.”

.......I'm surprised that a student at Oxford University is unfamiliar with the orbit of the Earth, it's a well known fact that the Earth orbits the Sun, not a bunch of over privileged toffs studying in Oxford.
“This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic. “I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.” .......I'm surprised that a student at Oxford University is unfamiliar with the orbit of the Earth, it's a well known fact that the Earth orbits the Sun, not a bunch of over privileged toffs studying in Oxford. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 23

12:41pm Tue 20 May 14

King Joke says...

I sympathise with anyone who's got finals coming up, but seriously this complaint is utterly groundless. Beaumont St, as others have pointed out, has many other noisy activities occuring along it, and is usually choked with traffic anyway, just not buses. If you don't like people looking in from double-deckers close your curtains.
I sympathise with anyone who's got finals coming up, but seriously this complaint is utterly groundless. Beaumont St, as others have pointed out, has many other noisy activities occuring along it, and is usually choked with traffic anyway, just not buses. If you don't like people looking in from double-deckers close your curtains. King Joke
  • Score: 20

1:18pm Tue 20 May 14

Neonlights says...

The solution is earplugs. Simples.
The solution is earplugs. Simples. Neonlights
  • Score: 18

1:20pm Tue 20 May 14

Neonlights says...

King Joke wrote:
I sympathise with anyone who's got finals coming up, but seriously this complaint is utterly groundless. Beaumont St, as others have pointed out, has many other noisy activities occuring along it, and is usually choked with traffic anyway, just not buses. If you don't like people looking in from double-deckers close your curtains.
Curtains?

Half the houses in Oxford don't have them, nor lampshades. Some improvise by hanging tatty or torn sheets up at the windows.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: I sympathise with anyone who's got finals coming up, but seriously this complaint is utterly groundless. Beaumont St, as others have pointed out, has many other noisy activities occuring along it, and is usually choked with traffic anyway, just not buses. If you don't like people looking in from double-deckers close your curtains.[/p][/quote]Curtains? Half the houses in Oxford don't have them, nor lampshades. Some improvise by hanging tatty or torn sheets up at the windows. Neonlights
  • Score: -1

1:21pm Tue 20 May 14

King Joke says...

What a vivid imagination you have Neonlights.
What a vivid imagination you have Neonlights. King Joke
  • Score: 3

1:35pm Tue 20 May 14

tinsel84 says...

Canismajoris wrote:
@tinsel84
I have the utmost respect for road sweepers and bin-men, try living in a city without them.
So do do I! I've worked in many many shops in the past, and I don't look down on jobs such as roadsweeping. However, I just thought it would be fun to wind up the student hating brigade, and it seems to have worked! ;)
[quote][p][bold]Canismajoris[/bold] wrote: @tinsel84 I have the utmost respect for road sweepers and bin-men, try living in a city without them.[/p][/quote]So do do I! I've worked in many many shops in the past, and I don't look down on jobs such as roadsweeping. However, I just thought it would be fun to wind up the student hating brigade, and it seems to have worked! ;) tinsel84
  • Score: -7

3:54pm Tue 20 May 14

BirderSue says...

My husband works night shift with a house full of little children. Ear buds, ear plugs, work great. I'm sure they sell them in Oxford.
My husband works night shift with a house full of little children. Ear buds, ear plugs, work great. I'm sure they sell them in Oxford. BirderSue
  • Score: 7

6:11pm Tue 20 May 14

oafie says...

oh dear....when I think of all the nights I had to endure with students sitting out in their gardens all night having no regard for their neighbours at all

or the time I was completely drenched with clothes ruined by the usual oxford students spraying champagne or the time I was knocked sideways by an oxford student cycling across the road and then one way-before seeking and gaining refuge in his college
oh dear....when I think of all the nights I had to endure with students sitting out in their gardens all night having no regard for their neighbours at all or the time I was completely drenched with clothes ruined by the usual oxford students spraying champagne or the time I was knocked sideways by an oxford student cycling across the road and then one way-before seeking and gaining refuge in his college oafie
  • Score: 7

6:14pm Tue 20 May 14

oafie says...

“I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.” yes right like all the Worcester college students in Jericho and the Worcester colelge ball now there's an over the top show of Worcester college students wealth and who gives a fig about the real world...oh dear people on buses can see into you room--oh dear welcome to the real world, even if just for a short time suck it up and put up
“I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.” yes right like all the Worcester college students in Jericho and the Worcester colelge ball now there's an over the top show of Worcester college students wealth and who gives a fig about the real world...oh dear people on buses can see into you room--oh dear welcome to the real world, even if just for a short time suck it up and put up oafie
  • Score: 7

7:38pm Tue 20 May 14

the wizard says...

Init a shame, time for whinging spoilt brat, oh sorry, " Medical student Bill Gewanter" to man up and get real with the events of the real world,. If a bus distracts him now, then there is little or no hope for him working in a hospital as a doctor at some future time, with all the round the clock in your face events that happen there by the minute.

Well Billy Boy, you've had your student years and now comes the crunch, and if you are on top of your game and want it badly enough, you will find a way, instead of making yourself look a total pillock in front of the population that have to with stand you and the likes of you all the year round, year in, year out. Yet another idiot divorced from what really happens in this world, and he is hoping to join the medical profession, oh shucks, heaven help to the recipients of his decisions if he hasn't had his beauty sleep, and by the look of him, lol, he needs all he can get.. Run home to Mummy then Billy Boy, until you learn how to grow up, face lifes problems, and get on with it, instead of looking like, and acting the idiot you obviously are.
Init a shame, time for whinging spoilt brat, oh sorry, " Medical student Bill Gewanter" to man up and get real with the events of the real world,. If a bus distracts him now, then there is little or no hope for him working in a hospital as a doctor at some future time, with all the round the clock in your face events that happen there by the minute. Well Billy Boy, you've had your student years and now comes the crunch, and if you are on top of your game and want it badly enough, you will find a way, instead of making yourself look a total pillock in front of the population that have to with stand you and the likes of you all the year round, year in, year out. Yet another idiot divorced from what really happens in this world, and he is hoping to join the medical profession, oh shucks, heaven help to the recipients of his decisions if he hasn't had his beauty sleep, and by the look of him, lol, he needs all he can get.. Run home to Mummy then Billy Boy, until you learn how to grow up, face lifes problems, and get on with it, instead of looking like, and acting the idiot you obviously are. the wizard
  • Score: 8

8:25pm Tue 20 May 14

cuckoo says...

This really is a pathetic non-newsworthy story published by the OM!
BUT..... maybe someone from this young man's college should have advised him and his fellow residents in Beaumont Street:
1: Close your curtains if you feel over looked by bus passengers (at whatever time you feel needed).
2: Buy/wear ear plugs IF the sound of the temporarily re-routed buses disturbs your sleep, study/revision.
3: College library generally quiet for day time 'study/revision'.
4: Have you ever been responsible for disturbing other folks sleep?
5: STOP MOANING.....if you had chosen to move out of a University residence you might be living in a rented house where your neighbours (albeit other students or families with young kids, busy restaurants, bars etc., etc.) don't give a sh*t about you................i
t's LIFE!!!
This really is a pathetic non-newsworthy story published by the OM! BUT..... maybe someone from this young man's college should have advised him and his fellow residents in Beaumont Street: 1: Close your curtains if you feel over looked by bus passengers (at whatever time you feel needed). 2: Buy/wear ear plugs IF the sound of the temporarily re-routed buses disturbs your sleep, study/revision. 3: College library generally quiet for day time 'study/revision'. 4: Have you ever been responsible for disturbing other folks sleep? 5: STOP MOANING.....if you had chosen to move out of a University residence you might be living in a rented house where your neighbours (albeit other students or families with young kids, busy restaurants, bars etc., etc.) don't give a sh*t about you................i t's LIFE!!! cuckoo
  • Score: 12

8:30pm Tue 20 May 14

King Joke says...

Good point about college libraries - many are open 24/7.
Good point about college libraries - many are open 24/7. King Joke
  • Score: 9

11:17am Wed 21 May 14

gans shakes says...

I would recommend that you can walk down to Boots and pick up some ear plugs, or a pair of Bose noise eliminating headphones. I used the ear plugs when I was reading Law here.
I would recommend that you can walk down to Boots and pick up some ear plugs, or a pair of Bose noise eliminating headphones. I used the ear plugs when I was reading Law here. gans shakes
  • Score: 4

11:20am Wed 21 May 14

King Joke says...

I'll second that. Noise-cancelling headphones really do work. Sony do a pair for around £70 but I'm sure there are cheaper out there if you shop around.
I'll second that. Noise-cancelling headphones really do work. Sony do a pair for around £70 but I'm sure there are cheaper out there if you shop around. King Joke
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Wed 21 May 14

Oflife says...

Bose QC15s. Sorted.

Best investment I ever made. 83 pints of beer will have to be sacrificed though. But your liver and ears will thank you.
Bose QC15s. Sorted. Best investment I ever made. 83 pints of beer will have to be sacrificed though. But your liver and ears will thank you. Oflife
  • Score: 3

12:19pm Wed 21 May 14

Oflife says...

Oflife wrote:
Bose QC15s. Sorted.

Best investment I ever made. 83 pints of beer will have to be sacrificed though. But your liver and ears will thank you.
Sorry, just noticed others have made the same suggestion. Alternative is to take a train to Reading Library. It is always quiet and on one of it's many floors, there are special semi-sound insulated cubicles equipped with a desk, two power outlets and a strip light. Students are always in there and I have been really productive working in them too.
[quote][p][bold]Oflife[/bold] wrote: Bose QC15s. Sorted. Best investment I ever made. 83 pints of beer will have to be sacrificed though. But your liver and ears will thank you.[/p][/quote]Sorry, just noticed others have made the same suggestion. Alternative is to take a train to Reading Library. It is always quiet and on one of it's many floors, there are special semi-sound insulated cubicles equipped with a desk, two power outlets and a strip light. Students are always in there and I have been really productive working in them too. Oflife
  • Score: 3

1:17pm Wed 21 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

King Joke wrote:
I'll second that. Noise-cancelling headphones really do work. Sony do a pair for around £70 but I'm sure there are cheaper out there if you shop around.
Don't forget he's an Oxford University student, there's probably more than £70 worth of coppers scattered around the floor of his accommodation, I'm sure one of his fags could pick it up for him
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: I'll second that. Noise-cancelling headphones really do work. Sony do a pair for around £70 but I'm sure there are cheaper out there if you shop around.[/p][/quote]Don't forget he's an Oxford University student, there's probably more than £70 worth of coppers scattered around the floor of his accommodation, I'm sure one of his fags could pick it up for him Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 3

2:52pm Wed 21 May 14

livid99 says...

tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
[quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se. livid99
  • Score: 7

3:03pm Wed 21 May 14

livid99 says...

Quoting Poor Bill " “This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.

“I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.”

Oh of course, YOUR exams are the only things that matter. How inconsiderate of the rest of the world to carry on while you are trying to study. You may not realise this, but many of us have to put up with things which annoy or disturb us, but we don't all run off to the newpaper to moan about it.
Shut the window, get some earplugs and get on with your work rather than making a fool of yourself, and put it down to something called hardship, probably not a familiar term to Oxford students, but something which the rest of us face on a daily basis.
FFS
Quoting Poor Bill " “This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic. “I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.” Oh of course, YOUR exams are the only things that matter. How inconsiderate of the rest of the world to carry on while you are trying to study. You may not realise this, but many of us have to put up with things which annoy or disturb us, but we don't all run off to the newpaper to moan about it. Shut the window, get some earplugs and get on with your work rather than making a fool of yourself, and put it down to something called hardship, probably not a familiar term to Oxford students, but something which the rest of us face on a daily basis. FFS livid99
  • Score: 7

11:35pm Wed 21 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

livid99 wrote:
Quoting Poor Bill " “This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.

“I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.”

Oh of course, YOUR exams are the only things that matter. How inconsiderate of the rest of the world to carry on while you are trying to study. You may not realise this, but many of us have to put up with things which annoy or disturb us, but we don't all run off to the newpaper to moan about it.
Shut the window, get some earplugs and get on with your work rather than making a fool of yourself, and put it down to something called hardship, probably not a familiar term to Oxford students, but something which the rest of us face on a daily basis.
FFS
What terrible people students are these days.

I was woken up by a group of young people (who looked like students to me) once or twice a few years ago so I think they deserve everything they get. Two wrongs may not make a right, but when it comes to these posh students who cares?

Why doesn't he just close his curtains all day if he doesn't like people looking in on him? Typical elitist, spoiled students demanding natural light. He should just get used to living in darkness if it "bothers" him so much.

The world doesn't revolve around him and he should just put up with it. How dare he deal with a problem by trying to change things for the better. Good hardship is what made this country great and a little light and sleep deprivation never hurt no one.
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: Quoting Poor Bill " “This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic. “I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever.” Oh of course, YOUR exams are the only things that matter. How inconsiderate of the rest of the world to carry on while you are trying to study. You may not realise this, but many of us have to put up with things which annoy or disturb us, but we don't all run off to the newpaper to moan about it. Shut the window, get some earplugs and get on with your work rather than making a fool of yourself, and put it down to something called hardship, probably not a familiar term to Oxford students, but something which the rest of us face on a daily basis. FFS[/p][/quote]What terrible people students are these days. I was woken up by a group of young people (who looked like students to me) once or twice a few years ago so I think they deserve everything they get. Two wrongs may not make a right, but when it comes to these posh students who cares? Why doesn't he just close his curtains all day if he doesn't like people looking in on him? Typical elitist, spoiled students demanding natural light. He should just get used to living in darkness if it "bothers" him so much. The world doesn't revolve around him and he should just put up with it. How dare he deal with a problem by trying to change things for the better. Good hardship is what made this country great and a little light and sleep deprivation never hurt no one. davidjohnson72
  • Score: 5

8:21am Thu 22 May 14

King Joke says...

David, ten out of ten for sarcasm. It's still a groundless complaint. Unlike many people he has access to the best libraries in the country, one at his college and one at his department. He's got every opportunity to study there, and not in his flat which he knew was on a main road when he collected the keys. Sleep deprivation doesn't apply anyway as we don't have night buses Sun-Thu, so get your facts right.

I'm guessing the only reason he has gone public with this is as a result of the impossible pressure Oxford finals put on people. I don't think many people understand the level of work required to get through them - 70+ hour weeks for the last three or four months leading up to them, 6-7 days a week. Plenty of people put this time in in employment of course, but this is different as it is all self-directed, making sense of material learned up to three years ago, unlike much employment which can be quite routine. The prospect of failure is terrifying, and suicides are not unknown.

This does not excuse his silly whinge but it does at least go some way to explaining it.
David, ten out of ten for sarcasm. It's still a groundless complaint. Unlike many people he has access to the best libraries in the country, one at his college and one at his department. He's got every opportunity to study there, and not in his flat which he knew was on a main road when he collected the keys. Sleep deprivation doesn't apply anyway as we don't have night buses Sun-Thu, so get your facts right. I'm guessing the only reason he has gone public with this is as a result of the impossible pressure Oxford finals put on people. I don't think many people understand the level of work required to get through them - 70+ hour weeks for the last three or four months leading up to them, 6-7 days a week. Plenty of people put this time in in employment of course, but this is different as it is all self-directed, making sense of material learned up to three years ago, unlike much employment which can be quite routine. The prospect of failure is terrifying, and suicides are not unknown. This does not excuse his silly whinge but it does at least go some way to explaining it. King Joke
  • Score: -4

7:11pm Thu 22 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
David, ten out of ten for sarcasm. It's still a groundless complaint. Unlike many people he has access to the best libraries in the country, one at his college and one at his department. He's got every opportunity to study there, and not in his flat which he knew was on a main road when he collected the keys. Sleep deprivation doesn't apply anyway as we don't have night buses Sun-Thu, so get your facts right.

I'm guessing the only reason he has gone public with this is as a result of the impossible pressure Oxford finals put on people. I don't think many people understand the level of work required to get through them - 70+ hour weeks for the last three or four months leading up to them, 6-7 days a week. Plenty of people put this time in in employment of course, but this is different as it is all self-directed, making sense of material learned up to three years ago, unlike much employment which can be quite routine. The prospect of failure is terrifying, and suicides are not unknown.

This does not excuse his silly whinge but it does at least go some way to explaining it.
If you actually read his complaint (which of course I agree is groundless!) the one thing he doesn't complain about is not being able to work during the day. Unless you're suggesting he sleeps in the (admittedly excellent) libraries then I'm not sure how they're relevant to sleep disruption/privacy issues.

You say that the lack of night buses means that his sleep wont be disrupted, but unless they've changed their timings the first buses on those routes come through the city centre at half 5 in the morning or thereabouts. I don't know why being woken at 5:30am would be any less disruptive than being kept up late by night buses.

His main whinging seems to be about the fact that the double deckers look into his bedroom and that the changes were introduced without consultation or warning. While I (and everyone else here it would seem) am more than happy to see this happen to one of these darn whining students, I wonder how you would feel if the council went ahead and put a stop outside your front door with buses able to look into your sons/daughters/siste
rs bedrooms without consulting or even warning you first?
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: David, ten out of ten for sarcasm. It's still a groundless complaint. Unlike many people he has access to the best libraries in the country, one at his college and one at his department. He's got every opportunity to study there, and not in his flat which he knew was on a main road when he collected the keys. Sleep deprivation doesn't apply anyway as we don't have night buses Sun-Thu, so get your facts right. I'm guessing the only reason he has gone public with this is as a result of the impossible pressure Oxford finals put on people. I don't think many people understand the level of work required to get through them - 70+ hour weeks for the last three or four months leading up to them, 6-7 days a week. Plenty of people put this time in in employment of course, but this is different as it is all self-directed, making sense of material learned up to three years ago, unlike much employment which can be quite routine. The prospect of failure is terrifying, and suicides are not unknown. This does not excuse his silly whinge but it does at least go some way to explaining it.[/p][/quote]If you actually read his complaint (which of course I agree is groundless!) the one thing he doesn't complain about is not being able to work during the day. Unless you're suggesting he sleeps in the (admittedly excellent) libraries then I'm not sure how they're relevant to sleep disruption/privacy issues. You say that the lack of night buses means that his sleep wont be disrupted, but unless they've changed their timings the first buses on those routes come through the city centre at half 5 in the morning or thereabouts. I don't know why being woken at 5:30am would be any less disruptive than being kept up late by night buses. His main whinging seems to be about the fact that the double deckers look into his bedroom and that the changes were introduced without consultation or warning. While I (and everyone else here it would seem) am more than happy to see this happen to one of these darn whining students, I wonder how you would feel if the council went ahead and put a stop outside your front door with buses able to look into your sons/daughters/siste rs bedrooms without consulting or even warning you first? davidjohnson72
  • Score: -2

7:18pm Thu 22 May 14

King Joke says...

Why would they need to consult? It would take me 30 mins tops to figure out that there were now deckers operating outside my house, and for me to take mitigating measures, like closing the curtains!

Point taken about night buses, but the road is, and always has been, choked with cars, lorries, vans, motorbikes, touring coaches etc etc for at least twelve hours a day. It has never been quiet, and the addition of some buses is not going to make it much worse.
Why would they need to consult? It would take me 30 mins tops to figure out that there were now deckers operating outside my house, and for me to take mitigating measures, like closing the curtains! Point taken about night buses, but the road is, and always has been, choked with cars, lorries, vans, motorbikes, touring coaches etc etc for at least twelve hours a day. It has never been quiet, and the addition of some buses is not going to make it much worse. King Joke
  • Score: 3

8:32pm Thu 22 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
Why would they need to consult? It would take me 30 mins tops to figure out that there were now deckers operating outside my house, and for me to take mitigating measures, like closing the curtains!

Point taken about night buses, but the road is, and always has been, choked with cars, lorries, vans, motorbikes, touring coaches etc etc for at least twelve hours a day. It has never been quiet, and the addition of some buses is not going to make it much worse.
So you'd be happy to keep your curtains closed all day long? Or would you do the same as him and try to get the stops moved?

I'd guess buses stopping and starting right outside, along with passengers talking while waiting at the stops would be worse than cars driving past-after all if Oxford finals preparation is as intense as you say and the buses didnt make things any worse than before, why would he have bothered to take the time out for the article?
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Why would they need to consult? It would take me 30 mins tops to figure out that there were now deckers operating outside my house, and for me to take mitigating measures, like closing the curtains! Point taken about night buses, but the road is, and always has been, choked with cars, lorries, vans, motorbikes, touring coaches etc etc for at least twelve hours a day. It has never been quiet, and the addition of some buses is not going to make it much worse.[/p][/quote]So you'd be happy to keep your curtains closed all day long? Or would you do the same as him and try to get the stops moved? I'd guess buses stopping and starting right outside, along with passengers talking while waiting at the stops would be worse than cars driving past-after all if Oxford finals preparation is as intense as you say and the buses didnt make things any worse than before, why would he have bothered to take the time out for the article? davidjohnson72
  • Score: 1

7:46am Fri 23 May 14

tinsel84 says...

livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?! tinsel84
  • Score: -8

6:25pm Fri 23 May 14

King Joke says...

I cycled to't pit and back again at the end of t' shift... and in them days it were uphill both ways!
I cycled to't pit and back again at the end of t' shift... and in them days it were uphill both ways! King Joke
  • Score: -1

7:24pm Fri 23 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

King Joke wrote:
I cycled to't pit and back again at the end of t' shift... and in them days it were uphill both ways!
You were lucky........we didn't have bicycles, I used to have to carry me dad and brothers to't pit, and back again, we didn't have shoes neither......
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: I cycled to't pit and back again at the end of t' shift... and in them days it were uphill both ways![/p][/quote]You were lucky........we didn't have bicycles, I used to have to carry me dad and brothers to't pit, and back again, we didn't have shoes neither...... Dilligaf2010
  • Score: -1

8:11pm Fri 23 May 14

tinsel84 says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
King Joke wrote:
I cycled to't pit and back again at the end of t' shift... and in them days it were uphill both ways!
You were lucky........we didn't have bicycles, I used to have to carry me dad and brothers to't pit, and back again, we didn't have shoes neither......
When aaah wurra lad, aah did 27 hours'day up' chimneh. An if we got thrashin' at end 'o' day we wur chuffed !
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: I cycled to't pit and back again at the end of t' shift... and in them days it were uphill both ways![/p][/quote]You were lucky........we didn't have bicycles, I used to have to carry me dad and brothers to't pit, and back again, we didn't have shoes neither......[/p][/quote]When aaah wurra lad, aah did 27 hours'day up' chimneh. An if we got thrashin' at end 'o' day we wur chuffed ! tinsel84
  • Score: -3

8:17pm Sat 24 May 14

betterlifeprospectsthanyou says...

So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are! betterlifeprospectsthanyou
  • Score: -1

10:25pm Sat 24 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

betterlifeprospectst
hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
[quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 0

12:07am Sun 25 May 14

betterlifeprospectsthanyou says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst

hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other. betterlifeprospectsthanyou
  • Score: -1

2:47am Sun 25 May 14

The New Private Eye says...

betterlifeprospectst
hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I think you are missing the point. It is a temporary measure (only 4 weeks if the road sign can be believed) and as such will inconvenience just a few people to provide access to the buses for the thousands that use them to get to work in Oxford, including, I am sure, some that work in his college doing his cooking and cleaning. He would soon see how unimportant that these minions are if they stopped providing that service for him.
[quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I think you are missing the point. It is a temporary measure (only 4 weeks if the road sign can be believed) and as such will inconvenience just a few people to provide access to the buses for the thousands that use them to get to work in Oxford, including, I am sure, some that work in his college doing his cooking and cleaning. He would soon see how unimportant that these minions are if they stopped providing that service for him. The New Private Eye
  • Score: 4

12:00pm Sun 25 May 14

Citizen Sunday says...

betterlifeprospectst
hanyou
wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst


hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
If the situation were reversed. That being a few 'townies' being inconvenienced due to temporary measures put in place by the University for some such reason or other. Then you, 'betterlifeprospects
thanyou', would be putting forward the exact same arguments (earplugs, drawing curtains, "what do you expect living on a busy main road..." etc etc) as posted by the "muppets" above.

But, more importantly, you also believe it to be a given 'right' for any student or university body to inconvenience any 'townie' or governing body of the city in any which way and for however long.
Not because Oxford is a major university town and is to solely exist for The University's benefit, but because- at the core of your psyche (perhaps sub-consciously, though probably not)- you believe in any assertion that merits the predisposition of your preconceived ideals of socio-economic hierarchical 'superiority' to be wholly justifiable.

How am I so spot on about my assessment of you, you must be wondering?-- As Dilligaf already implied, your chosen username of course. Gave your game away. Exposed... In just 26 letters!

You and I both know you don't really mean what you said regarding townies and gownies "kind of need each other".

Our co-existence comes down to this: We jealously wish to be you... And you need your bins emptying. Right?

Admit it. Don't sugar-coat your beliefs. Be true to yourself. People may not like it, but you may gain a little respect in the long run.
[quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.[/p][/quote]If the situation were reversed. That being a few 'townies' being inconvenienced due to temporary measures put in place by the University for some such reason or other. Then you, 'betterlifeprospects thanyou', would be putting forward the exact same arguments (earplugs, drawing curtains, "what do you expect living on a busy main road..." etc etc) as posted by the "muppets" above. But, more importantly, you also believe it to be a given 'right' for any student or university body to inconvenience any 'townie' or governing body of the city in any which way and for however long. Not because Oxford is a major university town and is to solely exist for The University's benefit, but because- at the core of your psyche (perhaps sub-consciously, though probably not)- you believe in any assertion that merits the predisposition of your preconceived ideals of socio-economic hierarchical 'superiority' to be wholly justifiable. How am I so spot on about my assessment of you, you must be wondering?-- As Dilligaf already implied, your chosen username of course. Gave your game away. Exposed... In just 26 letters! You and I both know you don't really mean what you said regarding townies and gownies "kind of need[ing] each other". Our co-existence comes down to this: We jealously wish to be you... And you need your bins emptying. Right? Admit it. Don't sugar-coat your beliefs. Be true to yourself. People may not like it, but you may gain a little respect in the long run. Citizen Sunday
  • Score: -3

4:07pm Sun 25 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

betterlifeprospectst
hanyou
wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst


hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha!
As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger.
I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars.
As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent.
I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required.
I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.
[quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha! As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger. I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars. As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent. I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required. I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: 2

6:32pm Sun 25 May 14

Madi50n says...

Dilligaf nobody believes you, but carry on, it's funny, & homer owns his own company, I had a proper giggle at that too.

The inverted snobbery & massive generalisations about Oxford students in these comments are hilarious, what a bunch of idiots.

Based on what you've written I kind of expect every student to be in a chauffeur driven rolls, quaffing champagne and throwing up on peasants.

Strangely, most of the students I met worked hard to get in to Oxford, are generally well-behaved & nothing like the people you are all describing.

Mind you, I don't have a massive chip on my shoulder.
Dilligaf nobody believes you, but carry on, it's funny, & homer owns his own company, I had a proper giggle at that too. The inverted snobbery & massive generalisations about Oxford students in these comments are hilarious, what a bunch of idiots. Based on what you've written I kind of expect every student to be in a chauffeur driven rolls, quaffing champagne and throwing up on peasants. Strangely, most of the students I met worked hard to get in to Oxford, are generally well-behaved & nothing like the people you are all describing. Mind you, I don't have a massive chip on my shoulder. Madi50n
  • Score: 3

6:56pm Sun 25 May 14

cuckoo says...

Think this young medical student has achieved exactly what he wanted ... his picture in the OM and (?) upsetting the 'Townie' Oxford posters here by his reported comments. But, SHOCK/HORROR there are many prestigious medics who are not Oxbridge graduates who likely coped with similar noise etc during their final pre-med exams!
I guess Town and Gown go hand in hand in Oxford ,as in Cambridge and (likely) some other large University towns.
IMO it's a shame that the OM took the time to publish this as it does nothing other than stir up some Town v. Gown antagonism!
Hope the OM moderators think it may be time to close comments now!!!!
Think this young medical student has achieved exactly what he wanted ... his picture in the OM and (?) upsetting the 'Townie' Oxford posters here by his reported comments. But, SHOCK/HORROR there are many prestigious medics who are not Oxbridge graduates who likely coped with similar noise etc during their final pre-med exams! I guess Town and Gown go hand in hand in Oxford ,as in Cambridge and (likely) some other large University towns. IMO it's a shame that the OM took the time to publish this as it does nothing other than stir up some Town v. Gown antagonism! Hope the OM moderators think it may be time to close comments now!!!! cuckoo
  • Score: -2

9:07pm Sun 25 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst

hanyou
wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst



hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha!
As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger.
I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars.
As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent.
I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required.
I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.
Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals.

I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha! As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger. I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars. As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent. I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required. I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.[/p][/quote]Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals. I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high. davidjohnson72
  • Score: 1

9:15pm Sun 25 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

cuckoo wrote:
Think this young medical student has achieved exactly what he wanted ... his picture in the OM and (?) upsetting the 'Townie' Oxford posters here by his reported comments. But, SHOCK/HORROR there are many prestigious medics who are not Oxbridge graduates who likely coped with similar noise etc during their final pre-med exams!
I guess Town and Gown go hand in hand in Oxford ,as in Cambridge and (likely) some other large University towns.
IMO it's a shame that the OM took the time to publish this as it does nothing other than stir up some Town v. Gown antagonism!
Hope the OM moderators think it may be time to close comments now!!!!
Call me crazy but I reckon he was probably also hoping it would help persuade the council to move the stops.

As you say-there are of course other people who have gone through difficulties in life. I have to disagree however that this means that no one should ever have a right to complain about injustice when it personally affects them.

The council clearly messed up here by ignoring local residents and I think that is the main point of the story, not whether or not students are all wastrels who deserve everything they get and more as many seem to think.
[quote][p][bold]cuckoo[/bold] wrote: Think this young medical student has achieved exactly what he wanted ... his picture in the OM and (?) upsetting the 'Townie' Oxford posters here by his reported comments. But, SHOCK/HORROR there are many prestigious medics who are not Oxbridge graduates who likely coped with similar noise etc during their final pre-med exams! I guess Town and Gown go hand in hand in Oxford ,as in Cambridge and (likely) some other large University towns. IMO it's a shame that the OM took the time to publish this as it does nothing other than stir up some Town v. Gown antagonism! Hope the OM moderators think it may be time to close comments now!!!![/p][/quote]Call me crazy but I reckon he was probably also hoping it would help persuade the council to move the stops. As you say-there are of course other people who have gone through difficulties in life. I have to disagree however that this means that no one should ever have a right to complain about injustice when it personally affects them. The council clearly messed up here by ignoring local residents and I think that is the main point of the story, not whether or not students are all wastrels who deserve everything they get and more as many seem to think. davidjohnson72
  • Score: 4

12:17pm Mon 26 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

davidjohnson72 wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst


hanyou
wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst




hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha!
As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger.
I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars.
As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent.
I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required.
I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.
Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals.

I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.
There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life.
I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science.
This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents.
If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev
er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs.
I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours.
[quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha! As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger. I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars. As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent. I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required. I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.[/p][/quote]Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals. I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.[/p][/quote]There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life. I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science. This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents. If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs. I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: -2

2:10pm Mon 26 May 14

livid99 says...

tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
[quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though. livid99
  • Score: 0

2:15pm Mon 26 May 14

livid99 says...

tinsel84 wrote:
Canismajoris wrote:
@tinsel84
I have the utmost respect for road sweepers and bin-men, try living in a city without them.
So do do I! I've worked in many many shops in the past, and I don't look down on jobs such as roadsweeping. However, I just thought it would be fun to wind up the student hating brigade, and it seems to have worked! ;)
Well, shows how easily entertained you are I guess....
[quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Canismajoris[/bold] wrote: @tinsel84 I have the utmost respect for road sweepers and bin-men, try living in a city without them.[/p][/quote]So do do I! I've worked in many many shops in the past, and I don't look down on jobs such as roadsweeping. However, I just thought it would be fun to wind up the student hating brigade, and it seems to have worked! ;)[/p][/quote]Well, shows how easily entertained you are I guess.... livid99
  • Score: 2

2:46pm Mon 26 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)"

Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though.[/p][/quote]"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)" Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place. davidjohnson72
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Mon 26 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst



hanyou
wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst





hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha!
As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger.
I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars.
As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent.
I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required.
I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.
Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals.

I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.
There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life.
I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science.
This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents.
If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev

er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs.
I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours.
While its great that you've achieved things without an education, it's also completely irrelevant to this article. The student in question is studying medicine. It is impossible to become a doctor in the UK without a medical degree from a university. Case closed.

I presume the buses passed by your residence when you moved in? That was not the case for the students here. Having buses pass by and having them park outside your windows for extended periods is also a very different thing. Are you saying he should live with his blinds permanently closed, without natural light?

The student in the article got in to study medicine at Oxford-not an easy feat. Clearly he's smart enough to have tried ear plugs already and the fact that he has nonetheless gone ahead with the article would indicate that they didn't work.

You finish by again attacking students as a group due to their shared occupation. Would you be equally happy to attack a group characterised by their ethnicity, gender or sexuality just because one or two of that particular group once **** you off? I would certainly hope not, but that is exactly the same logic at play here.
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha! As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger. I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars. As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent. I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required. I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.[/p][/quote]Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals. I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.[/p][/quote]There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life. I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science. This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents. If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs. I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours.[/p][/quote]While its great that you've achieved things without an education, it's also completely irrelevant to this article. The student in question is studying medicine. It is impossible to become a doctor in the UK without a medical degree from a university. Case closed. I presume the buses passed by your residence when you moved in? That was not the case for the students here. Having buses pass by and having them park outside your windows for extended periods is also a very different thing. Are you saying he should live with his blinds permanently closed, without natural light? The student in the article got in to study medicine at Oxford-not an easy feat. Clearly he's smart enough to have tried ear plugs already and the fact that he has nonetheless gone ahead with the article would indicate that they didn't work. You finish by again attacking students as a group due to their shared occupation. Would you be equally happy to attack a group characterised by their ethnicity, gender or sexuality just because one or two of that particular group once **** you off? I would certainly hope not, but that is exactly the same logic at play here. davidjohnson72
  • Score: 2

6:03pm Mon 26 May 14

livid99 says...

davidjohnson72 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)"

Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.
Maybe true, but running straight to the Oxford Mail with comments like "This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever" does tend to give the impression that HIS exams are more important than anything else. Maybe for him they are, but not for everyone. The world does not revolve around Oxford University students, despite what they may think. Did he complain to the council first, or run to the newspaper first ??
[quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though.[/p][/quote]"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)" Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.[/p][/quote]Maybe true, but running straight to the Oxford Mail with comments like "This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever" does tend to give the impression that HIS exams are more important than anything else. Maybe for him they are, but not for everyone. The world does not revolve around Oxford University students, despite what they may think. Did he complain to the council first, or run to the newspaper first ?? livid99
  • Score: -1

6:15pm Mon 26 May 14

Dilligaf2010 says...

davidjohnson72 wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst




hanyou
wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst






hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha!
As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger.
I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars.
As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent.
I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required.
I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.
Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals.

I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.
There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life.
I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science.
This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents.
If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev


er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs.
I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours.
While its great that you've achieved things without an education, it's also completely irrelevant to this article. The student in question is studying medicine. It is impossible to become a doctor in the UK without a medical degree from a university. Case closed.

I presume the buses passed by your residence when you moved in? That was not the case for the students here. Having buses pass by and having them park outside your windows for extended periods is also a very different thing. Are you saying he should live with his blinds permanently closed, without natural light?

The student in the article got in to study medicine at Oxford-not an easy feat. Clearly he's smart enough to have tried ear plugs already and the fact that he has nonetheless gone ahead with the article would indicate that they didn't work.

You finish by again attacking students as a group due to their shared occupation. Would you be equally happy to attack a group characterised by their ethnicity, gender or sexuality just because one or two of that particular group once **** you off? I would certainly hope not, but that is exactly the same logic at play here.
I'm bored with you now, you're clearly a troll.
I know what I've achieved is irrelevant to the article, I was responding to another student, or troll, who considered himself to be better than others, but you already knew that.
There's a good chance he has tried earplugs, and found they block out most of the additional noise, but still decided people should feel sorry for him, and bow to his wishes.
As for your last paragraph, I'm not even going to answer that, because you're just being ridiculous.
You can go and troll another article now.
[quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha! As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger. I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars. As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent. I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required. I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.[/p][/quote]Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals. I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.[/p][/quote]There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life. I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science. This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents. If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs. I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours.[/p][/quote]While its great that you've achieved things without an education, it's also completely irrelevant to this article. The student in question is studying medicine. It is impossible to become a doctor in the UK without a medical degree from a university. Case closed. I presume the buses passed by your residence when you moved in? That was not the case for the students here. Having buses pass by and having them park outside your windows for extended periods is also a very different thing. Are you saying he should live with his blinds permanently closed, without natural light? The student in the article got in to study medicine at Oxford-not an easy feat. Clearly he's smart enough to have tried ear plugs already and the fact that he has nonetheless gone ahead with the article would indicate that they didn't work. You finish by again attacking students as a group due to their shared occupation. Would you be equally happy to attack a group characterised by their ethnicity, gender or sexuality just because one or two of that particular group once **** you off? I would certainly hope not, but that is exactly the same logic at play here.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with you now, you're clearly a troll. I know what I've achieved is irrelevant to the article, I was responding to another student, or troll, who considered himself to be better than others, but you already knew that. There's a good chance he has tried earplugs, and found they block out most of the additional noise, but still decided people should feel sorry for him, and bow to his wishes. As for your last paragraph, I'm not even going to answer that, because you're just being ridiculous. You can go and troll another article now. Dilligaf2010
  • Score: -2

8:14pm Mon 26 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

Dilligaf2010 wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst





hanyou
wrote:
Dilligaf2010 wrote:
betterlifeprospectst







hanyou
wrote:
So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are!
I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then?
I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too.
I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her.
This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University.
Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here?
I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.
No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up.

The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house.

Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine?

As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24.

Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.
Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha!
As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger.
I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars.
As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent.
I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required.
I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.
Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals.

I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.
There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life.
I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science.
This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents.
If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev



er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs.
I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours.
While its great that you've achieved things without an education, it's also completely irrelevant to this article. The student in question is studying medicine. It is impossible to become a doctor in the UK without a medical degree from a university. Case closed.

I presume the buses passed by your residence when you moved in? That was not the case for the students here. Having buses pass by and having them park outside your windows for extended periods is also a very different thing. Are you saying he should live with his blinds permanently closed, without natural light?

The student in the article got in to study medicine at Oxford-not an easy feat. Clearly he's smart enough to have tried ear plugs already and the fact that he has nonetheless gone ahead with the article would indicate that they didn't work.

You finish by again attacking students as a group due to their shared occupation. Would you be equally happy to attack a group characterised by their ethnicity, gender or sexuality just because one or two of that particular group once **** you off? I would certainly hope not, but that is exactly the same logic at play here.
I'm bored with you now, you're clearly a troll.
I know what I've achieved is irrelevant to the article, I was responding to another student, or troll, who considered himself to be better than others, but you already knew that.
There's a good chance he has tried earplugs, and found they block out most of the additional noise, but still decided people should feel sorry for him, and bow to his wishes.
As for your last paragraph, I'm not even going to answer that, because you're just being ridiculous.
You can go and troll another article now.
I'm a troll because I disagree with you?

Either he went ahead with the article because he was bothered by the privacy/noise/counci
l incompetence issues-all of which would have annoyed you too if in his place, or because he's desperate for sympathy from strangers reading a local newspaper/ part of some kind of gown vs town power grab as you seem to think. Which seems more likely to you?

You won't answer it because I'm ridiculous or because I'm right? You've talked about how you don't have any sympathy with him purely BECAUSE he's a student over and over again. I'm saying that we shouldn't write off the concerns of any particular person because they're part of a group which contains a few bad eggs who have annoyed us in the past.

Can you really say that you'd be so eager to dismiss his grievances if the article hadn't mentioned that he was a student?
[quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dilligaf2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]betterlifeprospectst hanyou[/bold] wrote: So according to most of the muppets commenting here it's totally fine for the council to suddenly build bus stops outside of where you live (bet none of the abusers on here would like that!), you don't need natural light in the place where you live and because some students once upset you all students are evil. Nice logic people. Similar logic to that of the idiot, the deluded and the racist. But please, don't let that stop you all mouthing off like the fools you are![/p][/quote]I'm guessing you're a "hard-done-by" student then? I have more traffic pass by my home every hour, than this poor cherub does during the night, and yes, I get double decker buses stopping right outside too. I also get more than the average amount of emergency vehicles, but I accept all of it, because I chose to live her. This young chappie only has to put up with a bit of extra noise for 6 weeks, but the fact that he chose to live next to a main road, in the centre of Oxford, and not expect a great deal of noise, makes me wonder whether he's got the intelligence to know which way to face when sat on a toilet seat, let alone be at University. Your username intrigues me, what gives you the impression you've got better life prospects than anyone commenting here? I never went to University, in fact I didn't even finish my A levels, but I still owned a Mercedes by the age of 25, and was a robot engineer by the age of 34.[/p][/quote]No I am not one of the people who lives there, but I sympathise with them both for the disruption they are suffering and the abuse they are getting off the idiotic townies on here. I am however a student and not one who dances around outside all of your houses at 3am or wakes you up. The point is they moved into a College owned house (they may have had no choice in actually living there; it could have been allocated to them) that did not have a load of bus stops outside it. When you moved into your house, you were able to see that the buses/emergency vehicles passed there. It didn't suddenly change over night. So you can't make the comparison you've tried to make because there is no way they could foresee having bus stops built outside their house. Given you never went to University, you clearly don't understand how much work this 'chappie' will have had to put in. Your reverse snobbery hints at an underlying insecurity. Do you think you could get into Oxford to study Medicine? As for your Mercedes, well done you managed to find about £1000 to buy one. Autotrader might even have them in for £500. The whole 'oh I drive this car' label is very weak because everyone knows it includes everyone from the guy with the brand new £60k S Class to the tramp driving a £1000 one with 140,000 miles. Nice try though. As for a 'robot engineer' I'm not sure if I'm meant to impressed by that? Well done you though. The thing is I and many of my fellow students will earn in 2 years more than you could probably dream of earning. But as you live outside that bubble of success you probably cannot conceive that. Somehow I doubt 'robot engineers' are taking home £100k plus at age 24. Please feel free to continue feeling bitter, or instead accept that maybe townies and gownies ought to co-exist a bit better and realise we kind of need each other.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you do have delusions of grandeur don't you, you think you'll be able to earn more in two years, than I could dream of earning.......ha ha! As for my Mercedes, at the time of owning it, 25 years ago, I was earning £500 a day, and it certainly wasn't an old banger. I've had more than a dozen brand new executive cars since then, and no I don't mean Company cars. As for underlying insecurity, I've achieved everything in my life, without a University education, or daddy's money, one doesn't need to have a degree to be intelligent. I've got an analytical mind, an IQ of 145 (accredited by MENSA), and a great work ethic, University can't give you any of those, but they've allowed me to get jobs where normally a degree would be required. I don't feel bitter, but I still think most Oxford and Cambridge, University students, and graduates, think they're better than everyone else, and this jumped up Toff should accept that life is hard in the real world, and nobody cares that he's having to endure a minor inconvenience for a few weeks.[/p][/quote]Claims not to have any 'underlying insecurity' then writes an essay about how great he/she is. All the while ignoring the fact that the bus stops could significantly disrupt the student's sleep, raise significant privacy concerns and that the 'few weeks of inconvenience' happen to be right before his finals. I reckon someone should be asking MENSA for their money back. 145 seems a little high.[/p][/quote]There's nothing in my comment proclaiming greatness, I'm merely a face in the crowd, that's achieved things without a University education, aiming to highlight the fact that one doesn't need a degree, to succeed in life. I have double decker buses passing by my residence all the time, it's one of the joys of living the in city centre, if I don't want the passengers to see in, I close the blinds, it's not rocket science. This article is mentioned within another; about the week's best photographs, and you can see clearly that the student's rooms have secondary double glazing, with about 3 inches between primary and secondary, so the noise levels they have to endure are probably considerably lower those experienced by other city centre residents. If you had taken the time to read all the articles, it's been pointed out many times that earplugs are inexpensive, well within the means of a student........Howev er, when I'm being kept awake by drunken students, I tend to use cotton wool, which is even less expensive than earplugs. I have no sympathy for these students, just as they've shown no regard for the residents of the city when they have been out partying until the early hours.[/p][/quote]While its great that you've achieved things without an education, it's also completely irrelevant to this article. The student in question is studying medicine. It is impossible to become a doctor in the UK without a medical degree from a university. Case closed. I presume the buses passed by your residence when you moved in? That was not the case for the students here. Having buses pass by and having them park outside your windows for extended periods is also a very different thing. Are you saying he should live with his blinds permanently closed, without natural light? The student in the article got in to study medicine at Oxford-not an easy feat. Clearly he's smart enough to have tried ear plugs already and the fact that he has nonetheless gone ahead with the article would indicate that they didn't work. You finish by again attacking students as a group due to their shared occupation. Would you be equally happy to attack a group characterised by their ethnicity, gender or sexuality just because one or two of that particular group once **** you off? I would certainly hope not, but that is exactly the same logic at play here.[/p][/quote]I'm bored with you now, you're clearly a troll. I know what I've achieved is irrelevant to the article, I was responding to another student, or troll, who considered himself to be better than others, but you already knew that. There's a good chance he has tried earplugs, and found they block out most of the additional noise, but still decided people should feel sorry for him, and bow to his wishes. As for your last paragraph, I'm not even going to answer that, because you're just being ridiculous. You can go and troll another article now.[/p][/quote]I'm a troll because I disagree with you? Either he went ahead with the article because he was bothered by the privacy/noise/counci l incompetence issues-all of which would have annoyed you too if in his place, or because he's desperate for sympathy from strangers reading a local newspaper/ part of some kind of gown vs town power grab as you seem to think. Which seems more likely to you? You won't answer it because I'm ridiculous or because I'm right? You've talked about how you don't have any sympathy with him purely BECAUSE he's a student over and over again. I'm saying that we shouldn't write off the concerns of any particular person because they're part of a group which contains a few bad eggs who have annoyed us in the past. Can you really say that you'd be so eager to dismiss his grievances if the article hadn't mentioned that he was a student? davidjohnson72
  • Score: 1

8:24pm Mon 26 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

livid99 wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)"

Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.
Maybe true, but running straight to the Oxford Mail with comments like "This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever" does tend to give the impression that HIS exams are more important than anything else. Maybe for him they are, but not for everyone. The world does not revolve around Oxford University students, despite what they may think. Did he complain to the council first, or run to the newspaper first ??
Of course we have no way of knowing how the article came about-if he contacted them or vice versa, but either way a journalist will have asked him what he thought about the bus stops (or some question along those lines) and it seems unsurprising that he only talked about the bus stops in his reply.

I'm sure he's aware that there are other problems in the city, and indeed the world, that are more important in the grand scheme of things-but if he was asked about the stops it seems fairly reasonable for him to only talk about the stops and how they've affected him personally, no?
[quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though.[/p][/quote]"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)" Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.[/p][/quote]Maybe true, but running straight to the Oxford Mail with comments like "This is a vitally important time, with so much resting on our exams, and to have our sleep disrupted at such a time could well prove catastrophic.I find it astounding that these changes were made without giving us any notice whatsoever" does tend to give the impression that HIS exams are more important than anything else. Maybe for him they are, but not for everyone. The world does not revolve around Oxford University students, despite what they may think. Did he complain to the council first, or run to the newspaper first ??[/p][/quote]Of course we have no way of knowing how the article came about-if he contacted them or vice versa, but either way a journalist will have asked him what he thought about the bus stops (or some question along those lines) and it seems unsurprising that he only talked about the bus stops in his reply. I'm sure he's aware that there are other problems in the city, and indeed the world, that are more important in the grand scheme of things-but if he was asked about the stops it seems fairly reasonable for him to only talk about the stops and how they've affected him personally, no? davidjohnson72
  • Score: 1

9:47pm Mon 26 May 14

King Joke says...

davidjohnson72 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)"

Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.
Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all!
[quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though.[/p][/quote]"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)" Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.[/p][/quote]Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all! King Joke
  • Score: -1

7:42pm Tue 27 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)"

Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.
Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all!
Beaumont Street is mostly non residential, made up of GPs, dentists, offices, the Ashmolean, the Randolph and the Oxford Playhouse. The council could have installed the stops almost anywhere else on the road and avoided annoying residents-but seems avoiding disrupting students during their exams isn't worth the 5 minutes it would have taken them to check which parts of the street were residential and which weren't!
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though.[/p][/quote]"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)" Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.[/p][/quote]Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all![/p][/quote]Beaumont Street is mostly non residential, made up of GPs, dentists, offices, the Ashmolean, the Randolph and the Oxford Playhouse. The council could have installed the stops almost anywhere else on the road and avoided annoying residents-but seems avoiding disrupting students during their exams isn't worth the 5 minutes it would have taken them to check which parts of the street were residential and which weren't! davidjohnson72
  • Score: 0

8:20am Wed 28 May 14

King Joke says...

davidjohnson72 wrote:
King Joke wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)"

Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.
Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all!
Beaumont Street is mostly non residential, made up of GPs, dentists, offices, the Ashmolean, the Randolph and the Oxford Playhouse. The council could have installed the stops almost anywhere else on the road and avoided annoying residents-but seems avoiding disrupting students during their exams isn't worth the 5 minutes it would have taken them to check which parts of the street were residential and which weren't!
You miss my point entirely. If they put them in front of a GP, dentist or The Ashmolean they would moan about it too. If you asked everybody on the street (0.00001% of the city's population/working population) they would all say no, we couldn't possibly have buses outside our precious properties, and everyone using the buses in this part of the city (a much higher percentage) would lose out.

I thought minority rule went out of fashion in 1994...
[quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though.[/p][/quote]"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)" Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.[/p][/quote]Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all![/p][/quote]Beaumont Street is mostly non residential, made up of GPs, dentists, offices, the Ashmolean, the Randolph and the Oxford Playhouse. The council could have installed the stops almost anywhere else on the road and avoided annoying residents-but seems avoiding disrupting students during their exams isn't worth the 5 minutes it would have taken them to check which parts of the street were residential and which weren't![/p][/quote]You miss my point entirely. If they put them in front of a GP, dentist or The Ashmolean they would moan about it too. If you asked everybody on the street (0.00001% of the city's population/working population) they would all say no, we couldn't possibly have buses outside our precious properties, and everyone using the buses in this part of the city (a much higher percentage) would lose out. I thought minority rule went out of fashion in 1994... King Joke
  • Score: 0

4:45pm Wed 28 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
King Joke wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
livid99 wrote:
tinsel84 wrote:
I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all.

I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional.

We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.
What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.
Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education.

When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?!
I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education.
You obviously cannot see that though.
"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)"

Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.
Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all!
Beaumont Street is mostly non residential, made up of GPs, dentists, offices, the Ashmolean, the Randolph and the Oxford Playhouse. The council could have installed the stops almost anywhere else on the road and avoided annoying residents-but seems avoiding disrupting students during their exams isn't worth the 5 minutes it would have taken them to check which parts of the street were residential and which weren't!
You miss my point entirely. If they put them in front of a GP, dentist or The Ashmolean they would moan about it too. If you asked everybody on the street (0.00001% of the city's population/working population) they would all say no, we couldn't possibly have buses outside our precious properties, and everyone using the buses in this part of the city (a much higher percentage) would lose out.

I thought minority rule went out of fashion in 1994...
I fear you missed my point entirely as well!

The problems caused by the bus stops as mentioned in the article are:

1) Sleep Disruption: passengers waiting at stops and the buses themselves
2) Privacy: passengers looking in through bedroom windows
3) Council Disregard For Local People: shown by lack of notice before installation

If the stops were outside a GP's surgery 1 wouldn't be a problem (no one lives there) and nor would 2 (consulting rooms will already have privacy blinds installed). 3 would still apply-but could be easily addressed by the council if they just gave notice of the changes before they happened. People might still complain even if all 3 were addressed, but they would not necessarily be justified in doing so, unlike the students here who are justified in their complaint.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]livid99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinsel84[/bold] wrote: I suspect that above two posts are angry people doing who wish they didnt have such crappy jobs and tried harder at school. And yes, the University will have their way. They do own half of Oxford City Centre after all. I hope all these anti student people won't ever need a lawyer to defend them, or need the care of a health professional. We can look forward to being a nation of road sweepers and shop assistants.[/p][/quote]What an astonishingly snobbish and arrogant prat you have just shown yourself to be. Does nothing to change the view that those who "study at Oxford" think the sun shines out of their a*se.[/p][/quote]Hahaha and another one bites. This is typical Britain. The only country in Europe where it is frowned upon to want a decent education. When I were lad, I was down'mine for 16 hours a day, IF WE WERE LUCKY eh?![/p][/quote]I'm not frowning on getting a decent education at all, despite your rather idiotic comment. People can get an extremely decent education at many Universities - not just Oxford. It is people with the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed) that is wrong, not wanting a decent education. You obviously cannot see that though.[/p][/quote]"the sort of attitude that poor Billy displays (ie the world should stop so that HIS Oxford education is not disturbed)" Not sure how you worked that out from his legitimately complaining about being done over by the council. You don't have to be an Oxford student to get **** off at the council putting bus stops right outside your windows without notice when there are non-residential parts of the same street that they could have picked thereby preventing the problem occurring in the first place.[/p][/quote]Bus stops go where bus passengers need them - not where they won't inconvenience frontagers. Almost every metre of kerb space in Oxford is in front of a house, shop or office. If we pandered to every whinger in the city we wouldn't have a bus service at all![/p][/quote]Beaumont Street is mostly non residential, made up of GPs, dentists, offices, the Ashmolean, the Randolph and the Oxford Playhouse. The council could have installed the stops almost anywhere else on the road and avoided annoying residents-but seems avoiding disrupting students during their exams isn't worth the 5 minutes it would have taken them to check which parts of the street were residential and which weren't![/p][/quote]You miss my point entirely. If they put them in front of a GP, dentist or The Ashmolean they would moan about it too. If you asked everybody on the street (0.00001% of the city's population/working population) they would all say no, we couldn't possibly have buses outside our precious properties, and everyone using the buses in this part of the city (a much higher percentage) would lose out. I thought minority rule went out of fashion in 1994...[/p][/quote]I fear you missed my point entirely as well! The problems caused by the bus stops as mentioned in the article are: 1) Sleep Disruption: passengers waiting at stops and the buses themselves 2) Privacy: passengers looking in through bedroom windows 3) Council Disregard For Local People: shown by lack of notice before installation If the stops were outside a GP's surgery 1 wouldn't be a problem (no one lives there) and nor would 2 (consulting rooms will already have privacy blinds installed). 3 would still apply-but could be easily addressed by the council if they just gave notice of the changes before they happened. People might still complain even if all 3 were addressed, but they would not necessarily be justified in doing so, unlike the students here who are justified in their complaint. davidjohnson72
  • Score: 0

8:21am Thu 29 May 14

King Joke says...

Yes but the bus passengers always suffer whether complaints are justified or not, and by and large stops get sited in unsuitable places to avoid complaints. Can you imagine the headlines if it were a doctor's surgery complaining? Old ladies at the doctor's being disturbed by nasty buses etc etc.
Yes but the bus passengers always suffer whether complaints are justified or not, and by and large stops get sited in unsuitable places to avoid complaints. Can you imagine the headlines if it were a doctor's surgery complaining? Old ladies at the doctor's being disturbed by nasty buses etc etc. King Joke
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11:01am Thu 29 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

How about outside the lawyers' offices?

Still solves all the problems above and the only group inconvenienced is the one group that might be even more hated than the students!
How about outside the lawyers' offices? Still solves all the problems above and the only group inconvenienced is the one group that might be even more hated than the students! davidjohnson72
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11:38am Thu 29 May 14

King Joke says...

I think it was a lawyer, or possibly an estate agent, who raised an almighty fuss about a bus stop outside their precious premises in central Wallingford which is an important bus hub for South Oxon. It was completetly unjustified of course, but the County takes these people seriously, in the interests of supporting small businesses etc.
I think it was a lawyer, or possibly an estate agent, who raised an almighty fuss about a bus stop outside their precious premises in central Wallingford which is an important bus hub for South Oxon. It was completetly unjustified of course, but the County takes these people seriously, in the interests of supporting small businesses etc. King Joke
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6:27pm Thu 29 May 14

davidjohnson72 says...

Not sure how they could even argue that having the free publicity from passengers getting on and off right outside their premises could harm business-but why should the council bother doing what's right when they can just support whoever has the loudest voice.
Not sure how they could even argue that having the free publicity from passengers getting on and off right outside their premises could harm business-but why should the council bother doing what's right when they can just support whoever has the loudest voice. davidjohnson72
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7:44am Fri 30 May 14

King Joke says...

davidjohnson72 wrote:
Not sure how they could even argue that having the free publicity from passengers getting on and off right outside their premises could harm business-but why should the council bother doing what's right when they can just support whoever has the loudest voice.
Yes, and I think that's exactly what went on here. Luckily the objection was overturned in the end but it was a **** close run thing.
[quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: Not sure how they could even argue that having the free publicity from passengers getting on and off right outside their premises could harm business-but why should the council bother doing what's right when they can just support whoever has the loudest voice.[/p][/quote]Yes, and I think that's exactly what went on here. Luckily the objection was overturned in the end but it was a **** close run thing. King Joke
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2:57pm Sun 1 Jun 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
davidjohnson72 wrote:
Not sure how they could even argue that having the free publicity from passengers getting on and off right outside their premises could harm business-but why should the council bother doing what's right when they can just support whoever has the loudest voice.
Yes, and I think that's exactly what went on here. Luckily the objection was overturned in the end but it was a **** close run thing.
Except in this case the objection was entirely justified as peoples' sleep was disrupted before their finals, their privacy was invaded and the council did show an inappropriate lack of consideration for local residents.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]davidjohnson72[/bold] wrote: Not sure how they could even argue that having the free publicity from passengers getting on and off right outside their premises could harm business-but why should the council bother doing what's right when they can just support whoever has the loudest voice.[/p][/quote]Yes, and I think that's exactly what went on here. Luckily the objection was overturned in the end but it was a **** close run thing.[/p][/quote]Except in this case the objection was entirely justified as peoples' sleep was disrupted before their finals, their privacy was invaded and the council did show an inappropriate lack of consideration for local residents. davidjohnson72
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3:35pm Sun 1 Jun 14

King Joke says...

Yeah - about five people versus the thousands who rely on buses to get them to their jobs, ie their livelihoods. It would be utterly ludicrous for the tail to wag the dog like this. If this chap is unable to sleep in a triple-glazed room, before getting up and studying in some of the country's finest libraries, then I pity him.
Yeah - about five people versus the thousands who rely on buses to get them to their jobs, ie their livelihoods. It would be utterly ludicrous for the tail to wag the dog like this. If this chap is unable to sleep in a triple-glazed room, before getting up and studying in some of the country's finest libraries, then I pity him. King Joke
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10:21pm Sun 1 Jun 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
Yeah - about five people versus the thousands who rely on buses to get them to their jobs, ie their livelihoods. It would be utterly ludicrous for the tail to wag the dog like this. If this chap is unable to sleep in a triple-glazed room, before getting up and studying in some of the country's finest libraries, then I pity him.
...but as we have already agreed putting the bus stops outside one of the offices that make up the vast majority of the street instead would avoid all of these problems while being just as convenient for all of the bus passengers.

Without going into his room we have no idea how bad the effects of the buses are for the residents. It is ridiculous to just assume without any evidence that he is making up problems when there is no reason for him to do so.

Even if don't accept that being deprived of sleep just before important exams is a bad thing, surely you understand that having your privacy invaded and the council acting without taking residents into account is still problematic?

You are right that we should feel pity for him-not because he is acting unreasonably, but because he has a legitimate cause for concern that could have a real impact on his life.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: Yeah - about five people versus the thousands who rely on buses to get them to their jobs, ie their livelihoods. It would be utterly ludicrous for the tail to wag the dog like this. If this chap is unable to sleep in a triple-glazed room, before getting up and studying in some of the country's finest libraries, then I pity him.[/p][/quote]...but as we have already agreed putting the bus stops outside one of the offices that make up the vast majority of the street instead would avoid all of these problems while being just as convenient for all of the bus passengers. Without going into his room we have no idea how bad the effects of the buses are for the residents. It is ridiculous to just assume without any evidence that he is making up problems when there is no reason for him to do so. Even if don't accept that being deprived of sleep just before important exams is a bad thing, surely you understand that having your privacy invaded and the council acting without taking residents into account is still problematic? You are right that we should feel pity for him-not because he is acting unreasonably, but because he has a legitimate cause for concern that could have a real impact on his life. davidjohnson72
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8:20am Mon 2 Jun 14

King Joke says...

You've got no evidence that moving the bus stops would not inconvenience passengers.

You're right I haven't been in his room, but I would suspect triple glazing would eradicate most of the noise, or at least the 1% increase in noise that buses represent over the lorries, vans, motorcycles, cars etc that use Beaumont St 364 days/year.

As for the invasion of privacy, I'm surprised that:
i. bus passengers on a low-bridge bus can see into a first floor window. THe picture at the top of the page shows they'd have to be sitting on the roof of the bus to do so!
ii. even if they had remembered their periscopes, that the could see much without image enhancers during daylight hours. During hours of darkness when he's got his lights on it's customary to use curtains.

As for consultation - people complain that getting anything done at the council is time-consuming and bureaucratic. I'm not surprised.
You've got no evidence that moving the bus stops would not inconvenience passengers. You're right I haven't been in his room, but I would suspect triple glazing would eradicate most of the noise, or at least the 1% increase in noise that buses represent over the lorries, vans, motorcycles, cars etc that use Beaumont St 364 days/year. As for the invasion of privacy, I'm surprised that: i. bus passengers on a low-bridge bus can see into a first floor window. THe picture at the top of the page shows they'd have to be sitting on the roof of the bus to do so! ii. even if they had remembered their periscopes, that the could see much without image enhancers during daylight hours. During hours of darkness when he's got his lights on it's customary to use curtains. As for consultation - people complain that getting anything done at the council is time-consuming and bureaucratic. I'm not surprised. King Joke
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1:46pm Mon 2 Jun 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
You've got no evidence that moving the bus stops would not inconvenience passengers.

You're right I haven't been in his room, but I would suspect triple glazing would eradicate most of the noise, or at least the 1% increase in noise that buses represent over the lorries, vans, motorcycles, cars etc that use Beaumont St 364 days/year.

As for the invasion of privacy, I'm surprised that:
i. bus passengers on a low-bridge bus can see into a first floor window. THe picture at the top of the page shows they'd have to be sitting on the roof of the bus to do so!
ii. even if they had remembered their periscopes, that the could see much without image enhancers during daylight hours. During hours of darkness when he's got his lights on it's customary to use curtains.

As for consultation - people complain that getting anything done at the council is time-consuming and bureaucratic. I'm not surprised.
How on earth could it inconvenience the passengers to move the stops 10 metres down the street?!

You have no evidence that he has triple glazing, or if he does that it works as well as you say. Cars driving past is a very different thing to buses stopping and starting outside your door, as well as passengers chatting loudly at the bus stops.

Again-if they couldn't see in from the double deckers, why would he have raised the complaint? If it wasn't true why would the Mail have printed the article after a reporter clearly went and saw for himself whether or not there really was a problem? What makes you think they couldn't see into his bedroom? If the sunlight was hitting his side of the street then it would all be as clear as day.

Saying that the council is bad at their job is not an excuse as to why the council should be able to get away with being bad at their job.
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: You've got no evidence that moving the bus stops would not inconvenience passengers. You're right I haven't been in his room, but I would suspect triple glazing would eradicate most of the noise, or at least the 1% increase in noise that buses represent over the lorries, vans, motorcycles, cars etc that use Beaumont St 364 days/year. As for the invasion of privacy, I'm surprised that: i. bus passengers on a low-bridge bus can see into a first floor window. THe picture at the top of the page shows they'd have to be sitting on the roof of the bus to do so! ii. even if they had remembered their periscopes, that the could see much without image enhancers during daylight hours. During hours of darkness when he's got his lights on it's customary to use curtains. As for consultation - people complain that getting anything done at the council is time-consuming and bureaucratic. I'm not surprised.[/p][/quote]How on earth could it inconvenience the passengers to move the stops 10 metres down the street?! You have no evidence that he has triple glazing, or if he does that it works as well as you say. Cars driving past is a very different thing to buses stopping and starting outside your door, as well as passengers chatting loudly at the bus stops. Again-if they couldn't see in from the double deckers, why would he have raised the complaint? If it wasn't true why would the Mail have printed the article after a reporter clearly went and saw for himself whether or not there really was a problem? What makes you think they couldn't see into his bedroom? If the sunlight was hitting his side of the street then it would all be as clear as day. Saying that the council is bad at their job is not an excuse as to why the council should be able to get away with being bad at their job. davidjohnson72
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2:03pm Mon 2 Jun 14

King Joke says...

I wasn't saying the council are bad at their job, but that getting anything done takes an age because of the requirement to consult everybody on everything.

THe triple glazing was mentioned somewhere in the extensive discussion trail above.

Moving a stop 10 m would just illicit another groundless complaint from another malcontent who doesn't like bus passengers - aka members of the public - very much.

Passengers chatting at stops is no different to members of the public walking down the road chatting. As many others above have stated, this chap chose to move to a main road and has the option of a library to work in if the main road proves too busy.

I love your question about why the chap would complain, or the OM report, if people couldn't see in? As I've stated before, finals are mind-bendingly stressful so I can forgive the guy for complaining (but not the council acting on it), but since when have the OM needed a firm foundation on which to build a story? Don't forget the 'Nice weather for ducks' headline a few months ago. THeir own picture clearly shows it would be impossible for people to see in.
I wasn't saying the council are bad at their job, but that getting anything done takes an age because of the requirement to consult everybody on everything. THe triple glazing was mentioned somewhere in the extensive discussion trail above. Moving a stop 10 m would just illicit another groundless complaint from another malcontent who doesn't like bus passengers - aka members of the public - very much. Passengers chatting at stops is no different to members of the public walking down the road chatting. As many others above have stated, this chap chose to move to a main road and has the option of a library to work in if the main road proves too busy. I love your question about why the chap would complain, or the OM report, if people couldn't see in? As I've stated before, finals are mind-bendingly stressful so I can forgive the guy for complaining (but not the council acting on it), but since when have the OM needed a firm foundation on which to build a story? Don't forget the 'Nice weather for ducks' headline a few months ago. THeir own picture clearly shows it would be impossible for people to see in. King Joke
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5:07am Wed 4 Jun 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
I wasn't saying the council are bad at their job, but that getting anything done takes an age because of the requirement to consult everybody on everything.

THe triple glazing was mentioned somewhere in the extensive discussion trail above.

Moving a stop 10 m would just illicit another groundless complaint from another malcontent who doesn't like bus passengers - aka members of the public - very much.

Passengers chatting at stops is no different to members of the public walking down the road chatting. As many others above have stated, this chap chose to move to a main road and has the option of a library to work in if the main road proves too busy.

I love your question about why the chap would complain, or the OM report, if people couldn't see in? As I've stated before, finals are mind-bendingly stressful so I can forgive the guy for complaining (but not the council acting on it), but since when have the OM needed a firm foundation on which to build a story? Don't forget the 'Nice weather for ducks' headline a few months ago. THeir own picture clearly shows it would be impossible for people to see in.
But it evidently wouldn't have taken an age. They only needed to ask the opinions of the residents of 3 houses on 1 road. That could have been achieved in less than half an hour if they had cared about local residents.

I'm guessing it was mentioned again as a suspicion not based on any evidence whatsoever.

It seems you've forgotten our previous conversation entirely so let me remind you-the rest of Beaumont Street is almost entirely offices. This means that putting the stops outside an office cant disturb peoples sleep as no one lives there and in the case of GPs eradicating privacy concerns as they already have privacy blinds installed. Putting the stops outside their front doors would likely be welcomed if it helped vulnerable patients travelling by public transport to reach their appointments.

As to passengers at bus stops being the same as people walking by, I must ask at this point-are you simply trolling? Clearly someone walking by will only be outside the house for a few seconds. If they are waiting at the stop they could be there for many minutes. Evidently therefore passengers waiting outside will cause much more disruption than those walking past.

Again the existence of libraries is irrelevant to the issue of sleep disruption and privacy unless you're suggesting that he should sleep in the libraries.

You contradict yourself in your last paragraph. If there is no problem with the buses being there (and it is impossible for people to look in) AND he is going through intense finals preparation (that is presumably a fairly time consuming activity) why would he bother with the article?
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: I wasn't saying the council are bad at their job, but that getting anything done takes an age because of the requirement to consult everybody on everything. THe triple glazing was mentioned somewhere in the extensive discussion trail above. Moving a stop 10 m would just illicit another groundless complaint from another malcontent who doesn't like bus passengers - aka members of the public - very much. Passengers chatting at stops is no different to members of the public walking down the road chatting. As many others above have stated, this chap chose to move to a main road and has the option of a library to work in if the main road proves too busy. I love your question about why the chap would complain, or the OM report, if people couldn't see in? As I've stated before, finals are mind-bendingly stressful so I can forgive the guy for complaining (but not the council acting on it), but since when have the OM needed a firm foundation on which to build a story? Don't forget the 'Nice weather for ducks' headline a few months ago. THeir own picture clearly shows it would be impossible for people to see in.[/p][/quote]But it evidently wouldn't have taken an age. They only needed to ask the opinions of the residents of 3 houses on 1 road. That could have been achieved in less than half an hour if they had cared about local residents. I'm guessing it was mentioned again as a suspicion not based on any evidence whatsoever. It seems you've forgotten our previous conversation entirely so let me remind you-the rest of Beaumont Street is almost entirely offices. This means that putting the stops outside an office cant disturb peoples sleep as no one lives there and in the case of GPs eradicating privacy concerns as they already have privacy blinds installed. Putting the stops outside their front doors would likely be welcomed if it helped vulnerable patients travelling by public transport to reach their appointments. As to passengers at bus stops being the same as people walking by, I must ask at this point-are you simply trolling? Clearly someone walking by will only be outside the house for a few seconds. If they are waiting at the stop they could be there for many minutes. Evidently therefore passengers waiting outside will cause much more disruption than those walking past. Again the existence of libraries is irrelevant to the issue of sleep disruption and privacy unless you're suggesting that he should sleep in the libraries. You contradict yourself in your last paragraph. If there is no problem with the buses being there (and it is impossible for people to look in) AND he is going through intense finals preparation (that is presumably a fairly time consuming activity) why would he bother with the article? davidjohnson72
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7:28am Wed 4 Jun 14

King Joke says...

To take your points in turn:

1. Consultation does take an age. You have to leave the consultation open for weeks and generate a load of paperwork and reports.

2. As per previous posts, offices are just as hostile to bus passengers as residents, so there is no guarantee that, having consulted, the bus stop wouldn't have ended up outside this chap's room anyway. You are entirely right that bus passengers spend money and bus stops generate revenue for nearby retailers. Try telling that to Mogford, Pugh, the pr|ck who owns Mirch Masala, etc etc

3. Somebody walks up the road talking. You hear them, and by the time they have got out of earshot somebody else is walking past and you hear them too. Beaumont St has a reasonable footfall at all times and you'll always hear pedestrians. THe footfall will be increased by bus stops but not from a base of zero. THis is a main road and if you don't like pedestrians, don't live on a main road in a city centre in the first place.

4. I wouldn't suggest sleeping in a library, but the triple glazing mentioned somewhere above should ensure he's able to sleep in his room.

5. THere is no 'if' about whether people can see into his room. The picture very clearly shows they can not, unless Harry Potter's triple decker is driving past. As I am not a mind-reader I don't know why the chap in the story thinks it's worth raising, I can't second guess his motivations, but I suspect the stress of finals has something to do with it. As for why the OM would bother, they'd make a story out of the opening of an envelope.
To take your points in turn: 1. Consultation does take an age. You have to leave the consultation open for weeks and generate a load of paperwork and reports. 2. As per previous posts, offices are just as hostile to bus passengers as residents, so there is no guarantee that, having consulted, the bus stop wouldn't have ended up outside this chap's room anyway. You are entirely right that bus passengers spend money and bus stops generate revenue for nearby retailers. Try telling that to Mogford, Pugh, the pr|ck who owns Mirch Masala, etc etc 3. Somebody walks up the road talking. You hear them, and by the time they have got out of earshot somebody else is walking past and you hear them too. Beaumont St has a reasonable footfall at all times and you'll always hear pedestrians. THe footfall will be increased by bus stops but not from a base of zero. THis is a main road and if you don't like pedestrians, don't live on a main road in a city centre in the first place. 4. I wouldn't suggest sleeping in a library, but the triple glazing mentioned somewhere above should ensure he's able to sleep in his room. 5. THere is no 'if' about whether people can see into his room. The picture very clearly shows they can not, unless Harry Potter's triple decker is driving past. As I am not a mind-reader I don't know why the chap in the story thinks it's worth raising, I can't second guess his motivations, but I suspect the stress of finals has something to do with it. As for why the OM would bother, they'd make a story out of the opening of an envelope. King Joke
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7:55pm Tue 17 Jun 14

davidjohnson72 says...

King Joke wrote:
To take your points in turn:

1. Consultation does take an age. You have to leave the consultation open for weeks and generate a load of paperwork and reports.

2. As per previous posts, offices are just as hostile to bus passengers as residents, so there is no guarantee that, having consulted, the bus stop wouldn't have ended up outside this chap's room anyway. You are entirely right that bus passengers spend money and bus stops generate revenue for nearby retailers. Try telling that to Mogford, Pugh, the pr|ck who owns Mirch Masala, etc etc

3. Somebody walks up the road talking. You hear them, and by the time they have got out of earshot somebody else is walking past and you hear them too. Beaumont St has a reasonable footfall at all times and you'll always hear pedestrians. THe footfall will be increased by bus stops but not from a base of zero. THis is a main road and if you don't like pedestrians, don't live on a main road in a city centre in the first place.

4. I wouldn't suggest sleeping in a library, but the triple glazing mentioned somewhere above should ensure he's able to sleep in his room.

5. THere is no 'if' about whether people can see into his room. The picture very clearly shows they can not, unless Harry Potter's triple decker is driving past. As I am not a mind-reader I don't know why the chap in the story thinks it's worth raising, I can't second guess his motivations, but I suspect the stress of finals has something to do with it. As for why the OM would bother, they'd make a story out of the opening of an envelope.
To respond in turn (if a little late thanks to an all too lengthy trip to see the in-laws!):

1) It wouldn't take any time at all to consult the people directly affected. You just have to drop a letter through their door with an email address giving them the opportunity to offer opinions. This wasn't done as the council didn't care.

2) While I'm not disagreeing that some businesses may well complain for no reason-I'm also saying that we should be trying to support legitimate complains (like the chap in this case) while dismissing those that aren't legitimate (like the businesses you mention).

3) The noise from a crowd of passengers waiting outside his window would only be matched by the previous footfall if people were literally back to back walking down Beaumont Street for the hours the bus stops are in action. Even a street like Beaumont, which is often very busy during the day, has relatively few people walking down it late at night. Even if there is a reasonable number of people walking past talking this would not be comparable to the situation created by the bus stop unless they were literally back to back as I mentioned earlier, which is clearly almost never the case even at peak times.

4) We have no evidence that he has triple glazing, but rather we have strong evidence to the contrary. Namely the fact that he has complained that he can't sleep. Even I, someone who isnt an Oxford medical student, can usually tell when I am awake and when I am asleep, so I think we can assume he has the same ability.

5) Ah I see where you're going wrong here. You assume he has only an ordinary sized window set high up in the wall, but many of the rooms on Beaumont Street have floor to ceiling windows that lead out onto balconies. As the picture shows-the properties affected have some of these balconies, therefore also some of the floor to ceiling windows-meaning that people would not have to be on the level of the windows to see in!

Hope this helps,
David
[quote][p][bold]King Joke[/bold] wrote: To take your points in turn: 1. Consultation does take an age. You have to leave the consultation open for weeks and generate a load of paperwork and reports. 2. As per previous posts, offices are just as hostile to bus passengers as residents, so there is no guarantee that, having consulted, the bus stop wouldn't have ended up outside this chap's room anyway. You are entirely right that bus passengers spend money and bus stops generate revenue for nearby retailers. Try telling that to Mogford, Pugh, the pr|ck who owns Mirch Masala, etc etc 3. Somebody walks up the road talking. You hear them, and by the time they have got out of earshot somebody else is walking past and you hear them too. Beaumont St has a reasonable footfall at all times and you'll always hear pedestrians. THe footfall will be increased by bus stops but not from a base of zero. THis is a main road and if you don't like pedestrians, don't live on a main road in a city centre in the first place. 4. I wouldn't suggest sleeping in a library, but the triple glazing mentioned somewhere above should ensure he's able to sleep in his room. 5. THere is no 'if' about whether people can see into his room. The picture very clearly shows they can not, unless Harry Potter's triple decker is driving past. As I am not a mind-reader I don't know why the chap in the story thinks it's worth raising, I can't second guess his motivations, but I suspect the stress of finals has something to do with it. As for why the OM would bother, they'd make a story out of the opening of an envelope.[/p][/quote]To respond in turn (if a little late thanks to an all too lengthy trip to see the in-laws!): 1) It wouldn't take any time at all to consult the people directly affected. You just have to drop a letter through their door with an email address giving them the opportunity to offer opinions. This wasn't done as the council didn't care. 2) While I'm not disagreeing that some businesses may well complain for no reason-I'm also saying that we should be trying to support legitimate complains (like the chap in this case) while dismissing those that aren't legitimate (like the businesses you mention). 3) The noise from a crowd of passengers waiting outside his window would only be matched by the previous footfall if people were literally back to back walking down Beaumont Street for the hours the bus stops are in action. Even a street like Beaumont, which is often very busy during the day, has relatively few people walking down it late at night. Even if there is a reasonable number of people walking past talking this would not be comparable to the situation created by the bus stop unless they were literally back to back as I mentioned earlier, which is clearly almost never the case even at peak times. 4) We have no evidence that he has triple glazing, but rather we have strong evidence to the contrary. Namely the fact that he has complained that he can't sleep. Even I, someone who isnt an Oxford medical student, can usually tell when I am awake and when I am asleep, so I think we can assume he has the same ability. 5) Ah I see where you're going wrong here. You assume he has only an ordinary sized window set high up in the wall, but many of the rooms on Beaumont Street have floor to ceiling windows that lead out onto balconies. As the picture shows-the properties affected have some of these balconies, therefore also some of the floor to ceiling windows-meaning that people would not have to be on the level of the windows to see in! Hope this helps, David davidjohnson72
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